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Expertise - As seen from both sides of the fence. It is broken.

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Expertise - As seen from both sides of the fence. It is broken.

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Calomega
03.05.2012 , 02:06 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Endowed View Post
Two days after I hit 50 on my Sorc... I had 400 expertise.

I don't see the problem.

Players need to plan/play better. But instead, they will cry and another game willbe ruined by people who have the same access as everyone else.

*** I will agree that when they made changes during the Ilum patch, that changed the access and is messed up. They shouldnt do such things. Especially when it comes to different players getting different degrees of access. But if its all the same, so be it.
Listen up pumpkin,

If you got over 400 expertise in 2 days, you play WAY more than the average player. Your argument is thus invalid, and stupid.

In a well designed game, skill should trump gear. In this game, you literally CAN NOT win against a better geared player if they have even half of a brain. I can outplay the **** out of someone, blow all my CD's and still lose to their gear.

How can anyone consider that enjoyable?

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CupieFoxtail
03.05.2012 , 02:07 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Calomega View Post
In a well designed game, skill should trump gear. In this game, you literally CAN NOT win against a better geared player if they have even half of a brain. I can outplay the **** out of someone, blow all my CD's and still lose to their gear.
It's not an issue when it takes two days to get competitively geared...
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snaplemouton
03.05.2012 , 02:09 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Calomega View Post
Listen up pumpkin,

If you got over 400 expertise in 2 days, you play WAY more than the average player. Your argument is thus invalid, and stupid.

In a well designed game, skill should trump gear. In this game, you literally CAN NOT win against a better geared player if they have even half of a brain. I can outplay the **** out of someone, blow all my CD's and still lose to their gear.

How can anyone consider that enjoyable?
It's enjoyable because a good player in centurion gear can kill an average player in battlemaster gear.

Full Centurion being obtainable by a casual in a few days.
Champion being obtainable over time by a casual.
Battlemaster being obtainable after around a month or 2 by a casual.

If you really are that good, you can beat 95% of the people 3 to 5 days after reaching 50 as a casual player.
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Calomega
03.05.2012 , 02:11 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by CupieFoxtail View Post
It's not an issue when it takes two days to get competitively geared...
It doesn't, for those of us with responsibilities.

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Astarica
03.05.2012 , 02:12 AM | #35
If you had 1000/1000 + a bag in store when you hit 50 (which isn't very hard if you PvPed a decent amount in 10-49, easier next patch too) you start with 6 bags. In 3 days you can win 9 games for a total of 6 bags (3 dailys + 1 weekly). For 12 bags you get 180 centurion commendations + 84 champion commendations + whatever you managed to get lucky on. Centurion range from low 20s to 40s, and you can buy 2 other stuff with 84 champion commendations. Assume the average (30) then you can buy roughly 6 pieces of Centurion + 2 pieces of champion, and there are 12 slots to fill. Realistically since you get identical Expertise rating per piece, you should buy 2 Champion relics + the cheapest possible Centurion pieces first and that should get you a solid 400+ Expertise to work with.

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JefferyClark
03.05.2012 , 02:13 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by BulldogzLife View Post
Yeah like some people here have said, you can't hit 50 and expect to do all that great right away. If you were smart and had 1k/1k comms, along with a pre-purchased bag, you should have 6 bags with which to get comms out of. That nets you about 2 pieces of centurion and 42 champion comms, not to mention if you're lucky and get an item inside a bag. Then just grind it out for a couple days and pick up a few more pieces, and it should be a lot more even.

The other thing is, playing an Operative. It's the squishiest class there is, especially with no expertise. You rely on bursting people down, but against players with champion sets you won't be doing much dmg, on top of the mostly rediculous nerfs the Operative class has suffered. Not that I'll complain, as I still do amazing in PvP with my mostly champion geared Operative, but that's much more a testiment to player skill.
Even if you do this, you still need to do Belsavis/Ilum dailies to get armoring/mods/hilts/etc that are level 50. This is what I call tier 1 level 50 gear.

Gear tiers:

1 - Orange mod gear with mods from daily commendations
1.5 - the new starter pvp armor they are putting in
2 - Centurion/Tionese
2.5 - Champion/Columi
3 - Battlemaster/Rakata

If you are entering warzones in the 50 bracket with anything less than level 50 orange gear (ie, wearing level 30-40 greens and blues) with level 50 mods (blues and purples from dailies) you are wasting EVERYONE'S time.

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rzrknight
03.05.2012 , 02:15 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Calomega View Post
It doesn't, for those of us with responsibilities.
So ... you want to play 1 hr a day at most ... and compete with a person playing for months.

Well , ic the problem ... you dont understand how MMOs work at all...
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Orangerascal
03.05.2012 , 02:18 AM | #38
expertise != gear disparity

Associating the two is about as crazy as associating violence with video games. Gear disparity sucks ... we know.
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Redderic
03.05.2012 , 02:22 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by AKfourtyseven View Post
A new tier of gear was confirmed in one of the dev chat statements. he also mentioned they were going to make the stat itemisation better on that tier.

So, when t4 hits, if the expertise curve remains as it is now, using some t4 PvE will almost definitely be better than pure t4 PvP, for PvP since it will be even easier to hit 550/600 and then stack a bunch of more useful stats.
read it again the stat itiration is referring to the massive amount of accuracy on all pieces. they are rounding that out so that other stats are shown more often.
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TwitchFE
03.05.2012 , 02:28 AM | #40
It really isn't that bad, I don't understand the whining

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