Star wars Naga Mouse.

No where in their wording do they say you cannot use the mouse that someone else is selling.

Sending a companion off to craft something or on a mission requires you to take actions at the keyboard which means it is not automation. Autorun requires you push a button to start your character running in a straight line and if you walk away from your computer are either going to run off a cliff, a wall or into something you'd rather not run into.


What they mean by delay programming is programming an actual delay into the macro such that you click the button once, and the macro will cast each spell/ability in sequence after a programmed delay is reached by the macro. What I mean is that the first ability will fire, then the macro will count off seconds for the delay, then fire the next ability and so on. Macros do not know what an inherent delay is, and auto-fire macros will try and fire each ability one after the other if there is no delay programmed into them meaning in order to prevent auto-fire macros from misfiring due to not knowing anything about inherent delay in the game itself, you have to program the delay into the macro.

What they mean are castsequence macros where each time you manually click the button a different ability fires in a predetermined order. These were quite useful in WoW for classes that used specific cast orders for their spells. For example, my Affliction Warlock had one that cast a different DoT spell each time I triggered the macro until all three spells were cast in order.



You are allowed to use macros with the driver software as long as you do not automate game play with them.


No, they said you can use the mouse and use macros with the mouse and associated driver software as long as you keep within these rules regarding them, and if you break their rules regarding them they will ban you or take whatever actions they believe are necessary.

They sure aren't, they are simply saying we can't use the features of the mouse that are being highlighted as the reason to buy it. Additionally they are selling the mouse in conjunction with Razor.

"You can buy this 4x4 truck, but you can't use the 4x4 feature."


I don't have to touch my keyboard to send my companion off to do anything. It can be done 100% independently of the keyboard.



We don't know what they mean, you can think this is what they mean all you want. Or we could rather, but they simply stated "delay", nothing more or less. A delay is simply a pause, for any reason, between function inputs.


Again, we don't know what they mean. The player can interject all the speculation they want, but they were so vague with their answer only they truly know.






Both of these are the same, so I will address them at the same time.

They CLEARLY stated we HAVE to use the keyboard to enter the commands. So no, under what they said we can't use the macro keys, as we have to use the keys "physically located on the keyboard". So if I press my Shiv button on my keyboard followed by my Shiv button on the mouse, the mouse macro does nothing, as Shiv has been used.

There really is no way to police it, it's mostly scare tactics. besides, silly to get behind a company who's peripherals have macroing capabilities then have such a staunch stance against automation.

I never had problems with my RAT, very sturdy and the laser works great on the craziest surfaces. the macro software is great and flexible and gives me pretty blue screens when I test out a macro in the tools test window (which I obviously learned to not do).


And I think what they're saying is that you're not allowed to use the SWTOR mouse and keyboard they're selling at ridiculous prices to their full potential, which will put any player that complies at a disadvantageas, they have absolutely no way of knowing/identifying if a macro has loops and delays since it will look to anybody like you're pressing keys either way...

I'm even beginning to wonder if the game was designed by someone with carpal tunnel that hates humanity and wants everybody else to get carpal tunnel too... no auto attack, macros as fine as long as you have to button mash...


..such strange decisions.

I think your making a mountain out of a molehill here. Im fairly certain when they say automation they mean making a bot program out of the commands. Ie you loop it in such a way that the game plays itself without you being at the keyboard/mouse.

As far as you making a macro to use to a button on your mouse to say make your character do X skill, that is completely legal, same with making a macro to cast X skill normally but if its up and off CD then it will cast this other skill instead. Again I imagine those are fine as your still pressing the button to make one of the 2 skills go off.

They main thing they don't wont you doing is making a macro that essentially plays the game for you as long as you don't do that, then you have nothing to fear.

I have carpal tunnel, so I love the use of macros, as it makes games playable for more than a short period.

As for the tracking people issue, with the Naga your macros are stored with Razor on their server. It wouldn't be hard at all for Razor to turn that over to them and let them look at who uses macros, it would be extremely easy. It also isn't against any policy for Razor to do it as you agree to their terms, which includes sharing information with affiliates.

They said you could use macros, just not macros that have delays programmed into them.


Fine, mouse. My point is, sending a companion off to do a mission isn't automation.

No, they were quite clear about what they meant, you just don't want to admit they were.

Of course it wouldn't do anything, the ability goes on a CD after being used.

Even automation macros require some user input to start, just like sending a companion off. So again, what is the point of automation? Even with that said I will concede the automation point I am making is weak, I knew that going in.


No, they weren't clear at all. They literally said "delay", that is it. Not "an artificial delay inserted by an outside source or other influence." They simply said "delay".


Then what is the point of using, and selling, the macro feature? If by complying with their terms you disable the ability to use it?

Disclaimer: I haven't made it clear yet, so I will at this point, I am simply playing Devil's Advocate for this conversation. As I could see this situation come up in the future, and am interested in seeing others input on the matter.

In programming a delay is a loop setup to insert a predetermined amount of time between two actions. Since macros are a form of programming this is what is meant by a delay in a macro. These types of macros used to work in the WoW macro system until Blizzard intentionally took said functionality out.

They said you could use macros as long as you didn't program delays into the macro.

An example of what they mean:

Ability 1
for(x=1;x<30;++x) //delay using a for loop, but could use whatever the macro language allows.
Ability 2

In the example, the button only needs to be clicked once, and the second ability will autocast after the delay timer finishes running.

I hope I am wrongfully making a mountain, but I think you underestimate macros...
I don't want to say that I'm actually doing this of course, I have been working for too many years towards getting a carpal tunnel... but I could play a whole complex combat with 1 mouse button and 2 keys.
As said earlier, a simple macro can trigger all your buffs and relics/stims instantaneously followed with a loop of attacks, lets say... default attack, default attack, special attack 1, special attack 2, debuff, default attack, special attack 3, special attack 1 ---and loop as long as button is pressed, using whatever attack is available again.

or same with heals: shield, heal 1, heal 2, heal 2, heal 1, loop until button is released.

..same with your defenses etc... if out of combat then cloak, if in combat then force cloak, if button held pressed for longer than 200ms then trigger blackout too

According to what people are saying here and that official post, this is all doable with the peripherals they sell, yet illegal.

I would even think that something as simple as executing Force potency (buff for force attacks, doesnt share global cooldown) and force wave in 1 press would be close to illegal.

or a button that shields you and consumes a medpack in 1 click... or shield and sprint can be triggered at the same time...

Macros that trigger 1 power OR another depending of situation seem fine, but macros that trigger more than 1 power or have delays seem bad... and none of that has anything to do with bots sadly... cause banning bot macros I can understand.