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cpdm
03.02.2012 , 08:16 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by KahnyaGnorc View Post
What would make more sense is if the synthetic red crystals that artificers use to make the refined crystals to make lightsabers red be rarer on Republic (and the blue/green crystals rare on Imperial), with the reverse being abundant. Perhaps make it so that missions don't bring back the other side's color(s) (or as rare as purple materials from missions), so you have to find the raw crystals in areas that the other faction quests in.

Alignment restrictions on crystals don't make sense lore-wise. Faction restrictions on the availability of crystals makes a lot more sense.
That is an idea that I really like. People who want customization can have it by putting in extra effort. On PvP servers, it might even spark a little extra open world back-and-forth, as people farming the opposite faction's resources have to enter enemy territory to do so.
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cpdm
03.02.2012 , 08:17 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Shonuff View Post
One good idea is to reward players by playing with their color sabers by giving them bonus stats. For example, if you lean towards darkside and you use red color crystals in your weapons, you gain an additional + 30 End or + 30 Power ect. This way you can use any color you want but benifit from what side you play. You can even extend it to additional abilities related to your class.

I say this because in this game your not bound to play light side (good) or dark side (Evil). As many people have figured out you can server your faction but be aligned differently. So you can be a Jedi who falls to the Darkside or a Sith trying to walk the path of the Light, an Agent with good morals or a Trooper who cares only about the mission and no regard for life.

So rather than say "Oh you can't use this because your not "evil" enough reward them by giving them special bonuses like a permenant buff or new abilities. One good example is giving a Sith who goes light to use a Blue Saber and have the ability to use Jedi Mind Trick or something or any other light sided power.
Going to have to disagree with you on this. Making a person more or less powerful based on cosmetic changes strikes me as a bad idea. Cosmetics are just that, they should have no impact on the mechanics of game play; they should only affect the enjoyment of those players who find that sort of thing appealing.
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cpdm
03.02.2012 , 08:18 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Anishor View Post
I'm sorry you can't track that many things. Driving must be really hard for you.
Oh, don't worry on account of me. I have no problems keeping track of things like:

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"Oh he's in soreu stance and has a single saber, must be a tank Juggernaught/Guardian"
BTW... the correct spellings are: Soresu, and Juggernaut. Soresu should be capitalized because it is a proper noun.

I particularly like how you assumed that my position on this issue means I'm not much of a thinker, and a fan-boy to boot:

Quote: Originally Posted by Anishor View Post
ZOMG he has a red crystal and looks like darth vadar...
Finally, I appreciate the way you took my disagreeing with you so personally that you felt compelled to insult me.

Look at it this way. Right now, I have to spend zero effort to gather some information that is of questionable value. If these changes happen, then I will have to spend a very tiny amount of effort to gather some information that is of questionable value. Why would I want to waste my time this way?
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cpdm
03.02.2012 , 08:32 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganrax View Post
How does color crystal play ANY part into identifying what class/spec someone is? The only thing that it tells you right now is alignment which counts for jack **** in PvP since you can be dark or light on either side and it doesn't effect combat in any way shape or form whether you're light or dark.
I never said that it did. I said that I appreciate the ease of gathering a piece of information about light or dark side alignment; the same way I appreciate the ease of gathering a piece of information about what class a player is by whether they have one saber, or two sabers, or a saber-staff, or one blaster, or two blasters, or an assault rifle, etc. It is an easy way to instantly recognize a fact that may have some bearing on my interaction with them. Maybe it doesn't have any bearing on your interaction with them, but this game is not solely about the things you think are important.

For example, I would imagine that people interested in RP believe that alignment is VERY important. Perhaps some Imperial player somewhere likes to only kill light side Republic players in WZs. Is their opinion less valuable than yours?
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Talorya
03.02.2012 , 08:48 PM | #35
The only problem I have with the alignment restrictions is how it affects item modding, you can't even put a red crystal onto a companion weapon because you're "light side" or vice versa.

You should be able to mod however you want, actually equipping it is another story.

Removing the restriction altogether is fine by me honestly, I just want to be able to put some of these crystals to use for my companions instead of being locked out of them due to poor coding.

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rashencyberspeed
03.02.2012 , 08:49 PM | #36
I had mixed feelings about this. But I think it's overall a good idea.
I'm was a little mixed on the force wielders. When I first learned of the alignment and crystal relationship, here's what I expected: Jedi start with blue or green, and sith start with red. A Jedi can use blue or green regardless of alignment, but can only use red if dark sided. For Sith, they can use red regardless of alignment, but can only use blue or green if light sided. That wasn't the case, but now that I think about it, my idea would've seemed to make crystals faction-based rather than alignment-based. Thinking about it, I realize that although it might be weird to see a light-sided Jedi with a red saber or a dark-sided sith with a blue saber from time to time, it's their choice, so let them go ahead.

Now for blaster characters.
I fully approve removing the restrictions here. There are plenty of good guys that have blasters with red bolts, and there are also plenty of bad guys with blue bolts. The idea of alignment-restricted crystals makes sense if you wield the force, but not if you hold a blaster.

Overall, we should let players be who they want to be. (Besides, I don't think light-sided Jedi with red sabers or dark-sided Sith with blue/green sabers will be very popular anyway.)

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Lightmaguz
03.02.2012 , 09:57 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by KahnyaGnorc View Post
What would make more sense is if the synthetic red crystals that artificers use to make the refined crystals to make lightsabers red be rarer on Republic (and the blue/green crystals rare on Imperial), with the reverse being abundant. Perhaps make it so that missions don't bring back the other side's color(s) (or as rare as purple materials from missions), so you have to find the raw crystals in areas that the other faction quests in.

Alignment restrictions on crystals don't make sense lore-wise. Faction restrictions on the availability of crystals makes a lot more sense.
I would be all for faction restriction for force users and free for all for the other 2 classes. It's ridiculous to see Sith brandishing light side colours. The only one who ever did so was Exar Kun and it was meant to mock the Jedi order of his time. Vader used it for a while too but that's because the events in ROTS are pretty fast, both used to be Jedi. Sith in this game are born and trained as Sith it makes no sense.

Light side sith and Dark Jedi(no one could hide behind some of the atrocities you're able to commit. Not to mention the Jedi council does not seem to be weakening in this timeline.)

"I realize that although it might be weird to see a light-sided Jedi with a red saber or a dark-sided sith with a blue saber from time to time, it's their choice, so let them go ahead."

It's against both sith and Jedi orders, Sith with jedi sabers would be viewed as weak, sith lightsabers are potentially viewed as corrupting by the Jedi and red and blue/green represent them in a few ways. Besides there's a reason those guys( http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com...lic-sabers.jpg ) don't have any blue sabers or everytime some Jedi is converted to the Sith their masters give them red sabers. Those crystals are usually attuned to the Dark side during their preparation, with all the Star Wars behind us. It already looks wrong that there are Jedi wielding those I'd be all for a faction limitation at least concerning force users.

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Cancerianmoth
03.02.2012 , 11:01 PM | #38
I kinda don't like the restriction-less crystals either. I think there should be at least a restriction on the blue and red crystals but not on the green and orange ones. At the moment, there is NO benefit to playing neutral outside of crystal selection, but with this patch that makes it painfully more so.

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KahnyaGnorc
03.02.2012 , 11:27 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Lightmaguz View Post
I would be all for faction restriction for force users and free for all for the other 2 classes. It's ridiculous to see Sith brandishing light side colours. The only one who ever did so was Exar Kun and it was meant to mock the Jedi order of his time. Vader used it for a while too but that's because the events in ROTS are pretty fast, both used to be Jedi. Sith in this game are born and trained as Sith it makes no sense.

Light side sith and Dark Jedi(no one could hide behind some of the atrocities you're able to commit. Not to mention the Jedi council does not seem to be weakening in this timeline.)

"I realize that although it might be weird to see a light-sided Jedi with a red saber or a dark-sided sith with a blue saber from time to time, it's their choice, so let them go ahead."

It's against both sith and Jedi orders, Sith with jedi sabers would be viewed as weak, sith lightsabers are potentially viewed as corrupting by the Jedi and red and blue/green represent them in a few ways. Besides there's a reason those guys( http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com...lic-sabers.jpg ) don't have any blue sabers or everytime some Jedi is converted to the Sith their masters give them red sabers. Those crystals are usually attuned to the Dark side during their preparation, with all the Star Wars behind us. It already looks wrong that there are Jedi wielding those I'd be all for a faction limitation at least concerning force users.
Just to clarify, I do NOT advocate faction restrictions on color. I put forth an idea to make the raw materials of the other side's colors rarer to come by. I do not know if you caught the gist of my post or not from your post.

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Ganrax
03.03.2012 , 03:54 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by cpdm View Post
Perhaps some Imperial player somewhere likes to only kill light side Republic players in WZs. Is their opinion less valuable than yours?
Yes, and they should stop queuing for warzones altogether.

On the rest of the subject, it doesn't affect your gameplay at all seeing what alignment other players are. If they want to hide it then they should be able to. Just because some fanboys and stuck up RPers(not saying RPers are stuck up but the ones that are anal about other players are) think that they can force other players to look a certain way so they can have THEIR "immersion" doesn't mean that they should be able to.
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