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Catch_TwentyTwo
03.02.2012 , 04:25 PM | #751
Quote: Originally Posted by Saurakk View Post
What do you mean by Comms? If you mean voice chat then you are wrong.

What all winning organizaed raids DO NOT NEED is endless chatter over the voice chat when the raid leader or main tank are trying to communicate. You are told to use macros for quiet and organized communication.

And yes, I do know what I am speaking about through experience...I am not too sure that you do though by that comment.
Remind me never to raid with the likes of you.

In our guild successful raiding was achieved whilst having FUN and the group COMMUNICATING. If the new "standard" is 'don't talk until you're spoken to' then I want no part of it.

Players that think like you have no part in my gaming experience and I will be more than happy to avoid you all day long.
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Dumpiduke
03.02.2012 , 04:46 PM | #752
Quote: Originally Posted by Catch_TwentyTwo View Post
Remind me never to raid with the likes of you.

In our guild successful raiding was achieved whilst having FUN and the group COMMUNICATING. If the new "standard" is 'don't talk until you're spoken to' then I want no part of it.

Players that think like you have no part in my gaming experience and I will be more than happy to avoid you all day long.
Heh, back in my Molten Core raiding days, we actually had a reputation for being somewhat of a fun-loving raiding guild. We tried to minimize the militaristic approach to raiding at all costs and we were genuinely successful clearing MC, BWL, AQ, and 5 bosses in Nax. Sure, progression nights were a bit more serious, but all in all, we knew how to have a good time while we raided. It truly was the most fun I have ever had playing a video game.

Sadly, I'm not sure if future players will get to feel the same epic feeling that I did when we cleared a 40-man instance after months and months of attempts. Maybe it's a good thing for the genre as a whole as it really does deter people from achieving real life goals. I don't regret it though

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Barracudastr
03.02.2012 , 04:53 PM | #753
Quote: Originally Posted by Catch_TwentyTwo View Post
Remind me never to raid with the likes of you.

In our guild successful raiding was achieved whilst having FUN and the group COMMUNICATING. If the new "standard" is 'don't talk until you're spoken to' then I want no part of it.

Players that think like you have no part in my gaming experience and I will be more than happy to avoid you all day long.
Hes talking about high end content that requires you to actually focus and concentrate on things that are about to happen.

Not just lol herp derp we are raiding some easy mode ops herp derp I ate a chocolate bar and afk'd then came back and was talking in vent to my buddie about the FB game last night while we downed our easy mode boss's.

In a challenging encounter your not sitting in chat bs'ing and chatting it up your focus'd on your job your focused on the encounter because for the past 20 attempts your team has wiped due to some mechanic.

So I hope I never raid with the likes of you in any serious type of encounter because I know you wont be taking it seriously much less paying attention.

Easy stuff ya joking around being stupid in chat is different.

Hardcore progression guilds that do world firsts and compete for that type of thing they are all serious about it. They follow raid guidlines they made to make them more successfull.

If you dont thats fine.

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DarthKhaos
03.02.2012 , 05:01 PM | #754
Quote: Originally Posted by crimsonsglory View Post
why does setting the bar too high bothers you then? Since your so casual as you claim to be, im sure you"ll be doing the "easy modes" if you do raid. Let them bang their heads against a brick wall if thats what they want. Why is it bothering you?

How many guilds/raider leaders you know just gave up becasue the end game content is too lacking/easy atm? Well quite a number i read from General disc and ops forum
No where in my post I alluded to my skill level. You sound like the fact that other players are not as skilled as you never caused you frustration.
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archifikoss
03.02.2012 , 05:11 PM | #755
Quote: Originally Posted by Barracudastr View Post
Hes talking about high end content that requires you to actually focus and concentrate on things that are about to happen.

Not just lol herp derp we are raiding some easy mode ops herp derp I ate a chocolate bar and afk'd then came back and was talking in vent to my buddie about the FB game last night while we downed our easy mode boss's.

In a challenging encounter your not sitting in chat bs'ing and chatting it up your focus'd on your job your focused on the encounter because for the past 20 attempts your team has wiped due to some mechanic.

So I hope I never raid with the likes of you in any serious type of encounter because I know you wont be taking it seriously much less paying attention.
Ech, that sounds really boring and horrible. The complete opposite of what gaming means to me. Even at work we're less stiff and serious and still get our projects done on schedule and with great results.

Hey, if that's what you enjoy more power to you, who am I to judge... But playing a game so seriously and rigidly just sounds awfully un-fun to me

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Ansultares
03.02.2012 , 05:25 PM | #756
Quote: Originally Posted by Catch_TwentyTwo View Post
Remind me never to raid with the likes of you.

In our guild successful raiding was achieved whilst having FUN and the group COMMUNICATING. If the new "standard" is 'don't talk until you're spoken to' then I want no part of it.

Players that think like you have no part in my gaming experience and I will be more than happy to avoid you all day long.
I think you're overreacting a little. He's just describing a little bit of focus, or raid discipline. You know, like a well-oiled machine, and not like a bunch of gawking tourists clicking away furiously on their cameras. So that the raid leader and the main tank (or whatever) can communicate with everyone else.

I like that analogy of the tourists; it seems so apt with these casual content vultures.

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Starglide
03.02.2012 , 05:28 PM | #757
Quote: Originally Posted by Eddizel View Post
This game has no epeen factor or skill factor and that is why my server is dying fast.

We have 4 guilds that have cleared all nightmare 16 man raid content. Countless others doing 8 man.

Most pvpers got all the battlemaster gear and I never see them on anymore because they either quit or are waiting for some sort of incentive to log in again.

I don't think this game lacked endgame content, it was just way too easy to beat and way too easy to get all the gear in the game, pve and pvp.

Whatever hardcore playerbase was/is here needs challenging content and a reason to farm it. Quality pvp players need a competitive situation and not just a stupid RNG grind.

1.2 better hurry and it better be incredible, with rated warzones and compelling/challenging content.............but it might already be too late.

You can argue all day about game is failing/successful or thriving/dying but I can only tell you what I witness on my own server as someone who cares, and I have seen our pop dwindling, with our hardcore playerbase bleeding out extremely fast.

Maybe you want the more hardcore players gone, maybe you dislike them for whatever reason, but the hardcore playerbase is a good base of an MMO, you don't want to lose them.

In short, this game needs more epeen and reasons for hardcore players to keep playing.

It is a short window to keep us here before we move onto the next big thing or end up going back to MMO's that we came from that are simply doing it better. I was patient, gave game a couple of months, wasn't going to jump ship so fast, but time is running short.

You only hear or have bad experiences with the minority of hardcore players. The majority of them are good people who absolutely drive MMO's because they care.

They are the ones who create awesome websites with strats and videos for bosses, or the math nerds who theorycraft all the best specs and how to gear and spreadsheets and 3rd party programs to make the game better if you are into that stuff.

They are the ones who are comfortable leading PUG raids (ops) in their sparetime or leading rated pvp teams.

They are the ones who run smaller dungeon/flashpoint content multiple times looking for specific gear or trying out a new spec or playing alts or maybe even just for fun, while a casual may run it only once just to see it, this makes more groups happening and more often!

They are the ones who run the best guilds and push content and develop rivalries and server communities in both PVE and PVP.

They are the ones who are very active on the GTN and help drive the server economy.

They are the ones willing to test new content on patches on the test servers.

You may not want to believe it or care, but losing your hardcore playerbase has a very important trickle down effect on the servers. They are the players that are around the most and you will notice it when they are gone, I already am noticing it and it is not good.

Edit: Added one of my other posts to this as I felt it was relevant and helped add to my original point.
I agree, but 1.2 looks promising. I said I would give this game 6 months and I plan to do that. I think it is foolish a lot of people 'quit' and didn't keep up with gear. I really think 1.2 is going to be amazing and while the hardcore members dwindle, the game is growing exponentially with new players.

What does this mean? Well, hardcore members are more than likely to come back if things get better--casuals are not. So if the servers are GROWING with levelers and casuals, then 1.2 comes out and blows a hardcore's mind, then they will regret leaving and not keeping up with their gear.

We already know that 1.2 is revamping PVP and introducing a ranked system including new mounts and all new vanity items with social gear for additional customization. Fully modifiable purples so we can look how we want, a legacy system and FOUR pages of crafting notes that include full revamping of the system. This is among a lot of other things yet to be revealed (but stated by BioWare).

Not to mention they have people testing it in-person and transferring guilds. I really think they are excited about 1.2 and really think its a game changer. I don't give any new MMO less than 6 months if I like it at launch and believe it has promise. I didn't with WoW and after the server settled down I fell in love.

I think 1.2 is going to be amazing and really make this game. But I definitely agree it can make or break it especially for hardcore members like you and I.

Either way... I have my fingers crossed.

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Barracudastr
03.02.2012 , 05:36 PM | #758
Quote: Originally Posted by archifikoss View Post
Ech, that sounds really boring and horrible. The complete opposite of what gaming means to me. Even at work we're less stiff and serious and still get our projects done on schedule and with great results.

Hey, if that's what you enjoy more power to you, who am I to judge... But playing a game so seriously and rigidly just sounds awfully un-fun to me
Well thats the difference between.... say a pro football player and a guy that goes out with his buddies and throws the ball around.

The pro is doing it for his reasons, to be the best at it.

Vs

The guy just doing it to do it.

Like I said the hardcore that do it competitively.

There are things like esports guys .

Not to say hardcore players dont have fun doing what they do

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Pekish
03.02.2012 , 05:40 PM | #759
the pro do it for as a job...

i hope nobody do this game for as a job

not only the pro don't go home call the casual and asking him to play 1vs1 to show him his xxx (Skill)

too bad here it seems pvp is all about people that mistake game for a job that like to ruin the fun of the casual

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Barracudastr
03.02.2012 , 05:47 PM | #760
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
the pro do it for as a job...

i hope nobody do this game for as a job

not only the pro don't go home call the casual and asking him to play 1vs1 to show him his xxx (Skill)

too bad here it seems pvp is all about people that mistake game for a job that like to ruin the fun of the casual
Actually there are many people that play games competitivly and make a living doing it.

perhaps you should enlighten yourself.

This is off topic anyways.

I dont find easy content fun, you do.

I find hard content fun, you dont.

Why should I be denied what I like to do with my free vs what you like to do with your free time.

We both pay 15 a month.

We both know theres 3 different modes we both know they could put what I want in while having what you want in.

Why is it even a discussion?