The thought that WoW has more endgame content

Thought #2 TOR raids are too easy vs. WoW

False and LOL @ Cataclysm and Wrath. WoW raids haven't been difficult since BC and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of the past 2 expansions, even on HM, difficulty has been laughable. The first tier in Cataclysm was easy before everyone complained of its difficulty and subsequently got nerfed. Although the difficulty in TOR isn't very high WoW is not any more difficult.

That depends on the story. For random quests, yes.

But, recall the entire DK starting area leading upto the fight at Light Hope Chapel -- it did feel extremely epic to part of the fight.

Also, the entire Wrathgate chain; then the phasing in Icecrown where questing seemed to make a difference to the actual environment.

With phasing they actually made quests impact the zones-- I found that amazing. I like to be part of the story and play out the story instead of lying back and watching cutscenes.

Well, I got that from the guy saying it cost 300mil to make. So maybe it was at 300million but not at 200million

They generally don't tell you how much money it costs to make a game. But GW2 is estimated to only cost about 75 million.

WoW was originally like 30 or 40 million.

Again, nobody is out and saying how much it cost to make their games, they are all just analysts estimates.

They got the engine at a deal, got to make the game faster than a normal triple A title, and spent more money than any game ever made.

Why would any investors invest that much money into an idea (full VO dialog) when it is cheaper to make one without it for the same return investment?

Now, if SWTOR kinda exploded on the mmo market then I might be more inclined to think they would try to find a way, but as it's going right now there is no way in hades anyone is going to sink that much money into a game for full VO ever again.

My prediction, SWTOR will influence future mmo's to the point where they try to find new and creative ways to deliver the story, but they won't go into full VO for every quest and every NPC like SWTOR did.

Yes, I was referring to Vanilla WoW. Starting in Icecrown, WoW started delivering fantastic stories in ways I actually prefer over the SWTOR vo dialog. Deathknight starting zone is an excellent example.
Wrathgate was and is still the best quest done in any mmo ever. Walking through Orgrimmar filled with refugees and fleeing forsaken just floored me. Telling Saurfang his son was dead touched me on an emotional level SWTOR has not been able to match.

Hell, most of Cata was absolutely awesome the first time through, even the underwater zone which I thought I would hate. Lore everywhere, world effected everywhere, and it all tied together neatly.

Yea, WoW even beat SWTOR in the story department. All SWTOR has is the full VO, which is just sort of a gimmick.

Eh, opinion. I personally like wow stories better because they tied the lore together. Questing in zones matched the dungeons in those zones and stories continued in the world through several zones and levels.

SWTOR stories are all personal stories that have nothing to do with the lore of the game around you. I spent hours looking up lore facts on WoW online. History of the Night Elves, Thralls rise to power, Alterac History. WoW lore was fantastic and epic.

WoW story > SWTOR story

SWTOR delivery of story > WoW delivery of story (except flashpoints, the stories there are so isolated and singular they are not worthy of the rest of the game, couldn't they tie into the quests we did on planets alittle???)

Yes it is.

Some players prefer to have the story demonstrated to them through action. Not everyone wants to sit back and watch digital actors read it to them.

Blizzard is in category A. If you played through Lich King or Cataclysm, they were telling incredible stories while you were participating in the action... the Lich King chasing you down, trying to escape with Jania proud cure in Icecrown 5 man? The Thrall quest line in Cata? Totally epic storytelling (with voiceover) but WHILE the action is occurring. And then there are sparse epic cut scenes, ilke the fight between Alexstraza and Deathwing... amazing.

BioWare is in category B. The action pauses while actors stop and read you a script. You then make a choice, and move on your way. There's really noting exciting about it at all, you don't feel like you're in an action sequence... it feels like you're watching a soap opera quite frankly.

Make no mistake, both games have story, but the presentation is everything as you say. I understand that some people prefer digital actors. But not everyone.

It's your opinion.

I disagree. I think the VO's have been a success. A lot of games are moving to VO's. Single player games don't have the earning potential of an MMO and even they are moving to full VO.

Good thing all of those are you opinions, because as a 6 year vet of that game my experiences where the exact opposite.

With your overall opinion of WoW and SWTOR, why are you still posting on TOR's forums instead of playing WoW?