Upgraded my CPU and am very pleased

I see two diff numbers.
Is the left the live and the right the avg. or what?

To put in perspective...

i5 2.8ghz
4gb RAM
GTX 460 768mb GDDR5

I play this game in 1080p, with forced 32x AA, and all settings on high. If I turn off desktop composition (which I do because I play full screen anyhow), I rarely dip below 30 FPS. I'm usually just over 40. That's on fleet, and on Ilum.

No OC (don't get me started on why OC is bad in most - not all, but most - cases), all stock, home brewed, nothing fancy except my UV reactive case and UV lights.

Maybe 30fps isn't a beast, but so what? The game is pretty as it can be (granted, not as pretty as the failure that is FF14), and it runs smooth enough that I don't suffer worse in the game play department.

Rig cost me just over 1k after I bought a super nice monitor and second keyboard/mouse.

Most people won't notice until the frame-rate drops under 30. The "under 60 is terrible" folks fall into one of two categories:

- Experienceing a placebo effect from knowing the frame-rate, likely due to a conversation with someone from the second group.
- A certain small portion of the population is actually able to notice frame-to-frame lag before 60 frames. After that, it's pretty much impossible.

You are right, 30 fps is perfectly fine for any game. Those who are concerned about thier fps when they dip below 60 fps are too FPS focused. And it seems to be something some like to brag about..." Hey man!, I get 110 fps on my beast!". OC is not good for any system when you want that system to last a long time. Generates a lot more heat and heat will decrease the life of any electronic component.

Go with the first one. Normally I would avoid that brand of video card because of personal preference, however, it has two things going for it.

1.) Lots of RAM. RAM is probably the easiest / cheapest way to upgrade computers.

2.) It doesn't have two video cards. While SLI and Crossfire are nice, if you are looking at a long-term purchase, you want to stay away from specialized technologies that may be significantly deprecated down the line. Games that are not optimized for SLI will definitely see improvement, however, fit they are, they will see even more.

nVidia is constantly putting out driver updates that include specific updates for SLI; in two years if they are using SLI2, or some other new/better technology you are loosing out on what you spent.

There is one thing you need to know though!

SSD's are not good for heavy use. When you get the new rig, make sure that the operating system is installed on the non SSD hard drive. If you don't, you run the risk of burning the drive out all together. SSD's are getting better, but they are still relatively new.

If the operating system comes pre-installed on the SSD, I strongly, strongly, reccomend wiping your hard drives and re-installing on the normal HD.

Go ahead and put your game installs on the SSD, and if you need more performance tweaks, ask in here about moving your App Data to the SSD, or moving your virtual memory to your SSD. BUt make sure you reasearch the brand/model of your SSD to see how it holds up over time, and make sure you understand the risks.

EDIT: If it were -my- computer, I would go with the last one you listed, with the ASUS mother board and nVidia video card. As a personal preference, those are two brands I trust (especially ASUS) in general. But it is also a computer I would expect to upgrade later - especially in the RAM department.

I am not sure the one in game is accurate. I have Vsnyc on and refresh rate set on my monitor to 60 hz...so it should'nt exceed 60 fps. Which is what it shows consistently in WoW. Never exceeds 60. In TOR however...it runs between 72 - 78 FPS.

i think you mean make sure your operating system is on the SSD.

because thats what we all do with SSDs. use it as a boot drive and only install aps that we use alot or have long load times on a regular HDD.

I can tell you the frame rate up to the mid 50s. The difference between 30 and 60 is clear as day for me.

I have a hard time believing others can't tell the difference at all...



30 FPS isn't very smooth. I guess people with weak eyes like to make excuses?

Crazy....

You are right, 30 fps is perfectly fine for any game. Those who are concerned about thier fps when they dip below 60 fps are too FPS focused. And it seems to be something some like to brag about..." Hey man!, I get 110 fps on my beast!". OC is not good for any system when you want that system to last a long time. Generates a lot more heat and heat will decrease the life of any electronic component.

Go with the first one. Normally I would avoid that brand of video card because of personal preference, however, it has two things going for it.

1.) Lots of RAM. RAM is probably the easiest / cheapest way to upgrade computers.

2.) It doesn't have two video cards. While SLI and Crossfire are nice, if you are looking at a long-term purchase, you want to stay away from specialized technologies that may be significantly deprecated down the line. Games that are not optimized for SLI will definitely see improvement, however, fit they are, they will see even more.

nVidia is constantly putting out driver updates that include specific updates for SLI; in two years if they are using SLI2, or some other new/better technology you are loosing out on what you spent.

There is one thing you need to know though!

SSD's are not good for heavy use. When you get the new rig, make sure that the operating system is installed on the non SSD hard drive. If you don't, you run the risk of burning the drive out all together. SSD's are getting better, but they are still relatively new.

If the operating system comes pre-installed on the SSD, I strongly, strongly, reccomend wiping your hard drives and re-installing on the normal HD.

Go ahead and put your game installs on the SSD, and if you need more performance tweaks, ask in here about moving your App Data to the SSD, or moving your virtual memory to your SSD. BUt make sure you reasearch the brand/model of your SSD to see how it holds up over time, and make sure you understand the risks.

EDIT: If it were -my- computer, I would go with the last one you listed, with the ASUS mother board and nVidia video card. As a personal preference, those are two brands I trust (especially ASUS) in general. But it is also a computer I would expect to upgrade later - especially in the RAM department.