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"Advanced Classes = Fundamentally Different Class Designs"

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"Advanced Classes = Fundamentally Different Class Designs"

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ShavedEwok
03.02.2012 , 05:09 AM | #211
Personally, I believe AC's are classes in their own and you should not be able to swap them.

However, I can see both sides of this and I can understand that a) it's impossible to know if you'll enjoy playing an AC until you've actually tried and b) having to re-roll and play the exact same story all over again would feel extremely tedious to some.

IMO, I would suggest a compromise which would allow you to switch AC's two times, but no more.

Why two? The first swap would be for you to try out the other AC if you are not sure about the one you originally selected. The second swap would enable you to go back to the original one, in case after having tried out the second AC you do feel the first one was the better one after all.

It's impossible to know whether you like an AC before you've tried it, and you can't make a fair decision between the two until you've tried them both, right?

So, two (2) swaps should be enough as it will enable you to make a fair comparison between the AC's and allow you to pick whichever one you liked best. More than that is really not needed IMO.

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chaosdefined
03.02.2012 , 05:12 AM | #212
Or even just keep hiking the price of changing your AC up more and more.

1st time changing, 100k credits.
Second time 500k
Third time 10,000k

etc

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ShavedEwok
03.02.2012 , 05:22 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Or even just keep hiking the price of changing your AC up more and more.

1st time changing, 100k credits.
Second time 500k
Third time 10,000k

etc
Why?

If you wish to swap AC's more than twice, then you might as well just re-roll tbh.

If you made a bad call about your AC, or just couldn't decide between the two, then that's one thing and getting granted two swaps might make sense.

However, just being able to swap AC's just for the sake of swapping can't really be motivated as a valid necessity IMO.

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Xothos
03.02.2012 , 05:31 AM | #214
I vote a huge No on AC changes. You people wanted choice, this is the biggest choice in the game.
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chaosdefined
03.02.2012 , 05:34 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Xothos View Post
I vote a huge No on AC changes. You people wanted choice, this is the biggest choice in the game.
Actually you're contradicting yourself there. Not being able to change your AC is lack of choice.

And why limit it to twice? What if you change it one already then a couple of years down the line you fancy a change and so want to change it again to renew your interest in the game?

The argument of "just roll an Alt" doesn't hold any water. Not everyone enjoys repeating the same content for weeks.

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MajikMyst
03.02.2012 , 06:59 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Actually you're contradicting yourself there. Not being able to change your AC is lack of choice..
Wrong.. Choice is rolling another character..

Choice does not mean change.. Those are two different words with different meanings..

You want a choice?? Roll another character.. Customization never meant changing something on the fly..

No to AC switcning.. There is no need for it and no arguement for it..
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Raximillian
03.02.2012 , 07:02 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Actually you're contradicting yourself there. Not being able to change your AC is lack of choice.

And why limit it to twice? What if you change it one already then a couple of years down the line you fancy a change and so want to change it again to renew your interest in the game?

The argument of "just roll an Alt" doesn't hold any water. Not everyone enjoys repeating the same content for weeks.
And you think people would enjoy farming 1.000.000 creds for the increasing cost of your escalating AC respecs? Yeah, way more fun... :S

I imagine the whining that would ensue. "We have AC switch now, but I want it free", "I want dual-AC now, it's the obvious next step", etc, etc, etc. It's a slippery slope, and people will keep demanding more.

I would still prefer there are no AC respec at all. They are completely different classes. And using the "WoW does it with druids and paladins" is a bad argument. While WoW is the most successful MMO out there, it does not mean everything it does is right. I consider having healer/tank/DPS on a single class as a bad idea.

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chaosdefined
03.02.2012 , 07:04 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by Raximillian View Post
And you think people would enjoy farming 1.000.000 creds for the increasing cost of your escalating AC respecs? Yeah, way more fun... :S

I imagine the whining that would ensue. "We have AC switch now, but I want it free", "I want dual-AC now, it's the obvious next step", etc, etc, etc. It's a slippery slope, and people will keep demanding more.

I would still prefer there are no AC respec at all. They are completely different classes. And using the "WoW does it with druids and paladins" is a bad argument. While WoW is the most successful MMO out there, it does not mean everything it does is right. I consider having healer/tank/DPS on a single class as a bad idea.
It's not a bad argument, it's a very valid one because the stat conversion, armour type and abilities change is exactly the same as changing AC.

Your solution to not grinding credits for the change is to grind on levelling an alt for weeks on the same content you just experienced?

No argument against AC is anything more than weak, narrow-minded and selfish. You don't want it because you think it'll make bad players for you to play with.

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Raximillian
03.02.2012 , 07:11 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
It's not a bad argument, it's a very valid one because the stat conversion, armour type and abilities change is exactly the same as changing AC.

Your solution to not grinding credits for the change is to grind on levelling an alt for weeks on the same content you just experienced?

No argument against AC is anything more than weak, narrow-minded and selfish. You don't want it because you think it'll make bad players for you to play with.
When did I say anything about skill? Nowhere did I mention that. I do not like it because I do not think it will add much to the game, and it will dilute the classes too much. Choices would no longer have any weight. I do understand that having options is good, so I'm all pro-dual-spec within the AC. I'm all for some kind of dungeon finding tool, etc. I understand those can help. I do not think adding AC change will help the game.

Leveling an alt is a lot better than grinding credits. You level him once, and that's pretty much it. Play him. get some gear, and done. Grinding credits is for ever, and it is the WORSE grind they can add to the game. Grind credits to be able to play how you want. That turns play into work. Bad idea.

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chaosdefined
03.02.2012 , 07:16 AM | #220
Which is why you wouldn't have a ton of people constantly switching their AC every couple of weeks.

How would it dilute the classes? How would it defeat the purpose of choice?

People keep saying this but have yet to provide any actual reasoning behind it.

Sure it wouldn't add anything to the game for you but it would for others.

I don't PvP so any changes people want for PvP I could easily go and argue against saying what's the point, it doesn't effect me so why waste time on it?