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Premades getting a crutch to help them

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Premades getting a crutch to help them

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L-RANDLE
03.01.2012 , 01:15 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Vegathegreat View Post
or just keep it simple, you want the best gear, get a team, practice and get to the top of the rankings

if you dont want the gear then it doesnt matter anyway

if you want to cry about not being good enough to get the gear then quit
Well yeah.... I mean this is like the PvP argument all over again..... "QQQQQ it should be gear v gear."


Get a team....., but to "appease" everyone maybe do reward tier is a better option...

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L-RANDLE
03.01.2012 , 01:18 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Organikal View Post
So the premade all solo queue and have a 95% chance to get in the same group. Cash in rewards. /win

Doesn't work.

I don't know why people need to moan and groan over this...

Ranked WZ will be a competitive division... the players will be gaining rank.... the players will be rewarded based on their rank... the players will be joining the games as FULL teams... those teams will progress together...

How is this any different from PvE?

Nightmare mode is a competitive raid... the players who kill the boss will gain rewards from their kills... the nightmare mode will require a FULL raid... raid groups progress together...

What's the issue? Find a team and compete or play unranked and don't get the gear. What other MMORPG's didn't use this similar template? Fill me in here.
But will you be hamstrung to the same team? How feasible is that?


[EDIT] you can run ops with a different team everytime (all within the same guild). Some are better than others, but having options to "PUG" even if it is still guild mates needs to be a part of the ranked match process...

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Celebrus
03.01.2012 , 01:18 PM | #123
At peak times there are barely enough active PvPers on my server to keep 3-4 Warzones running. Thats including both pugs and pre-mades of both factions.

In other words, ranked games are going to be a ghost town most of the time until x-server hits anyhow, I don't foresee them even being utilized very often.

When one of the two pre-mades able to fill a group and Q gets tired of losing to the other, it will basically die until they work up the urge to go lose more.

Sounds like a winning system to me.

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Chaosmagistrate
03.01.2012 , 01:19 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Cempa View Post
Wait until it actually goes live these forums will be exploding!

Why you ask?

vanguard/powertech + sentinel/marauder + jedi/juggernaut

Combine the burst /w survivability /w immobilize+snare off Resolve

I don't think BW even realizes the size of the storm coming due to snare+immobilize being off resolve and the fact that vanguard/powertech can consistently burst for 10k while the other two exchange Force Charge immobilize all the while any one within 10m is snared for 50%!
Son, do you even play this game?

Everything you mentioned doesn't even make sense, as VGs and PTs do not consistently burst 10k, their DPS is almost so RNG it's almost liek Russian Roulette. And we won't go into Juggs/Maras, as from the Mara thread, you clearly have no idea of their class capabilities.
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Kiphere
03.01.2012 , 01:20 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Organikal View Post
So the premade all solo queue and have a 95% chance to get in the same group. Cash in rewards. /win

Doesn't work.

I don't know why people need to moan and groan over this...

Ranked WZ will be a competitive division... the players will be gaining rank.... the players will be rewarded based on their rank... the players will be joining the games as FULL teams... those teams will progress together...

How is this any different from PvE?

Nightmare mode is a competitive raid... the players who kill the boss will gain rewards from their kills... the nightmare mode will require a FULL raid... raid groups progress together...

What's the issue? Find a team and compete or play unranked and don't get the gear. What other MMORPG's didn't use this similar template? Fill me in here.
There is no difference. The people complaining about this are the same people that think you should be able to /lfg pug any raid of any difficulty. They don't want to join a group, they don't want to play in an organized way and they don't want people who do to have any form of advantage. They are why MMOs are starting to suck more and more as time goes on.

Casual games where everyone of any skill level and commitment level can accomplish the same things die. No one is going to 'pay' for that. Games where theres a competitive nature and skill/organization reaps greater rewards succeed, the catch is making both sides happy enough to keep a portion of both sides in the game for a long time.

The hardcore whiners will do just that no matter what, you can't please them and hopefully the developers ignore them and recognize that the majority of their subs will be happy with a situation like this.

Casual PVPers can still grind up to BM in the casual bracket of solo Qs.
Competitive PVPers can grind up to a higher level because they are competing at a higher level via ranked Qs.

The best fix is to segregate the brackets so the rated folks can't get an unfair GEAR advantage in the unranked Q. make the gear scale down to BM level that way the only advantage you have in the unranked Q is your skill and not your gear.

The ONLY valid concern anyone can have with this system is that rated players will get better gear and then use that gear to consistantly roll the casual PVPers who grinded up to their top potential (BM). That is a valid concern and should be addressed somehow.
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Xavory
03.01.2012 , 01:20 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Kiphere View Post
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I walk into a stadium, I see som eguys with uniforms and stuff, I walk onto the field and expect 7 people from the stands to join me because i want a uniform too.
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French-toast
03.01.2012 , 01:22 PM | #127
i support this, there should be rewards for playing as a team with a team. get over it, go make a premade, L2P
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unicornfive
03.01.2012 , 01:22 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
Are you kidding me?

You are giving out better gear to premades that is not available to solo Q'ers?
Are their feelings hurt when solo q people are organized and beat premades?

This makes no sense. If the premades are so big and bad why do they need better gear than the solo Q'ers. This is idiotic.

This new system should be explained before release so it can be discussed. Why release it without explaining it and then patch it five times.
Yes...
Cause mmo games are nothing about having fun and relaxing after work...
Mmo are job for some ppl (not game developers but the nerds that have no real life)
And for these ppl the one and only purpose in their life is to be "best players" in 1 of many video games out there...
And that according to them, all the other ppl that play this game, they arent casual ppl that play for fun, but they are all trying hard, day and night to succeed in pvp and they fail....lol, so fun if you think of it.

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Organikal
03.01.2012 , 01:23 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
But will you be hamstrung to the same team? How feasible is that?


[EDIT] you can run ops with a different team everytime (all within the same guild). Some are better than others, but having options to "PUG" even if it is still guild mates needs to be a part of the ranked match process...
Yes of course you will be hamstrung to the same team. How do you think Ops groups work for Raids?

I assume you could have 12 people on your 8 player group.

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MartyrLXXVII
03.01.2012 , 01:23 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Skitlz View Post
Sorry to tell u guys but different commendations...lets be honest why create that if its not for DIFFERENT GEAR. And they have said OFFICIALLY the commendations for ranked/unranked are different. If it wasnt for different gear they could make them both the same commendation.

Its coming might as well man up or start to write your QQ threads now and see if it gets u anywhere.
Different gear is fine, expected, wanted.

Another tier of gear with higher stats is not.