Premades getting a crutch to help them

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MightyHalo

03.01.2012 , 12:21 PM \| #101	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kholvan That lead PvP dev interview linked on the first page said there's a whole different set of commendations, which strongly suggests a whole different set of gear. He even described Cent/Champion/Battlemaster as having been an interim step until they could introduce unranked vs ranked comms. To survive and not become a free game they have to keep the casuals that support the game. With ranked gear, they will lose too many players since casuals will have no chance to compete with that gear. Casuals can slowly get to BM, and on even ground eventually, ranked WZ's kills that option. Ranked WZ's should be about the epeen, not the gear. Brag a little, but if you are #1 with BM gear, what else do you need?

Azgrey

03.01.2012 , 12:22 PM \| #102	Quote
Simple enough to have the same gear for for both rated and non-rated wz's. They can award gear that has different skins and set bonuses but that should be the extent of it. A War Hero level character who progressed through regular wz's and open world pvp should be the same as a War Hero level character who progressed through rated wz's. Making them any different in power is just lazy rehash by the devs and will cause issues. On the other hand rated wz's should reward more $, coms, valor, legacy etc. based off the likely increase in queue times involved. If Bioware adds a trophy system into the game then I can also see specific ones available only to those that participate in rated wz's.

Grubfist

03.01.2012 , 12:36 PM \| #103	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Cempa Wait until it actually goes live these forums will be exploding! Why you ask? vanguard/powertech + sentinel/marauder + jedi/juggernaut Combine the burst /w survivability /w immobilize+snare off Resolve I don't think BW even realizes the size of the storm coming due to snare+immobilize being off resolve and the fact that vanguard/powertech can consistently burst for 10k while the other two exchange Force Charge immobilize all the while any one within 10m is snared for 50%! I laughed

Skitlz

03.01.2012 , 12:39 PM \| #104	Quote
Sorry to tell u guys but different commendations...lets be honest why create that if its not for DIFFERENT GEAR. And they have said OFFICIALLY the commendations for ranked/unranked are different. If it wasnt for different gear they could make them both the same commendation. Its coming might as well man up or start to write your QQ threads now and see if it gets u anywhere.

Kiphere

03.01.2012 , 12:39 PM \| #105	Quote
An easier fix to this situation is to not allow rated WZ gear in unrated WZs. Let the competitive groups have their gear and use it against each other, don't let them gain a benefit over the people who don't run rated. If you make the gear the same theres no real reward for the competitive PVPers who run in organized groups. Also, if the gear is the same people who participate in things like Ilum kill trading or just idle their way through PVP not even trying will be able to see the same rewards as those who legtimately 'work' for them which is not fair. The easiest solution to this problem is to make rated PVP a closed system. you get the gear by doign it, you only use the gear in those rated PVP matches. Code wise it's easy enough to flag rated gear to only have BM stats when in a normal WZ so it 'scales down' to the top teir available in the regular WZs. That 'should' make everyone happy, yes? No advantage to the premades but hte premades still get their rewards for fighting other premades. or ya know, the folks complaining could invite 7 people and go play in the ranked fights :P
Kiphere Giradda The Hutt

Richoshist

03.01.2012 , 12:41 PM \| #106	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Azgrey Simple enough to have the same gear for for both rated and non-rated wz's. They can award gear that has different skins and set bonuses but that should be the extent of it. A War Hero level character who progressed through regular wz's and open world pvp should be the same as a War Hero level character who progressed through rated wz's. Making them any different in power is just lazy rehash by the devs and will cause issues. On the other hand rated wz's should reward more $, coms, valor, legacy etc. based off the likely increase in queue times involved. If Bioware adds a trophy system into the game then I can also see specific ones available only to those that participate in rated wz's. I agree with you. Quote: Originally Posted by MightyHalo To survive and not become a free game they have to keep the casuals that support the game. With ranked gear, they will lose too many players since casuals will have no chance to compete with that gear. Casuals can slowly get to BM, and on even ground eventually, ranked WZ's kills that option. Ranked WZ's should be about the epeen, not the gear. Brag a little, but if you are #1 with BM gear, what else do you need? I agree with you too.
The weak fear the strong. The strong fear the fearless. Richo Shistt-Jedi Guardian Wound in the Force-->The Bastion US <OTHER SIDE>

L-RANDLE

03.01.2012 , 12:43 PM \| #107	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya ????? Why does it make no sense? Why can't a pug PvP group play against a premade if they want to? Is there a reason for this? The reason? See this is the problem: For all the players who PUG religiously (myself included), there is always a few that are ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE and would never be on your team IF YOU HAD THE CHOICE... Depending on the day/time/server, Premades could be matched up with a ton of PUG groups (especially if they introduce cross server). This would over inflate the premade's rank and not be a good barometer on which teams are best. The whole point of ranking is to show how well people do at team objectives given "equal" gear. The sheer randomness of PUG's devalues that stat. Now there are a TON of other problems. I mean I solo q alot, but I am in a guild. Would I be forced to play with the same players in every ranked match? That is not smart since I am "semi-casual/hardcore lite" I would be limited in the times I could play. This is what should happen; 1. Ranked warzones are for everyone and available in 1 Q. Guild/premade/solo...who cares.... 2. Warzone team selection AND matchup needs to be deliniated by Premade>Guild>Solo Q or what ever else needs to be added. 3. ALL REWARDS ARE THE SAME. Yeah, I have a guild and can get a premade going, but I don't want to be forced to play with the same guys all the time. It's just not feasible....... I do have a guild preference, so I would perfer my solo q'd guild mates in a ranked game versus a straight PUG..... Having different rewards is just plain dumb...... I'm new to the MMO thing, but I was wondering, why doesn't BW setup some real guild wars? I mean we have "rival" guilds, but have never really had a real faceoff to see which has the bragging rights..... PvP is the arena to do it. Tourney style over a few days. Guild leaders setup teams and match days/times (with BW help!!!) and off we go... That would also encourage peeps to join guilds and get more community interaction in a game designed for community interaction... /rant

Vegathegreat

03.01.2012 , 12:51 PM \| #108	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE The reason? See this is the problem: For all the players who PUG religiously (myself included), there is always a few that are ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE and would never be on your team IF YOU HAD THE CHOICE... Depending on the day/time/server, Premades could be matched up with a ton of PUG groups (especially if they introduce cross server). This would over inflate the premade's rank and not be a good barometer on which teams are best. The whole point of ranking is to show how well people do at team objectives given "equal" gear. The sheer randomness of PUG's devalues that stat. Now there are a TON of other problems. I mean I solo q alot, but I am in a guild. Would I be forced to play with the same players in every ranked match? That is not smart since I am "semi-casual/hardcore lite" I would be limited in the times I could play. This is what should happen; 1. Ranked warzones are for everyone and available in 1 Q. Guild/premade/solo...who cares.... 2. Warzone team selection AND matchup needs to be deliniated by Premade>Guild>Solo Q or what ever else needs to be added. 3. ALL REWARDS ARE THE SAME. Yeah, I have a guild and can get a premade going, but I don't want to be forced to play with the same guys all the time. It's just not feasible....... I do have a guild preference, so I would perfer my solo q'd guild mates in a ranked game versus a straight PUG..... Having different rewards is just plain dumb...... I'm new to the MMO thing, but I was wondering, why doesn't BW setup some real guild wars? I mean we have "rival" guilds, but have never really had a real faceoff to see which has the bragging rights..... PvP is the arena to do it. Tourney style over a few days. Guild leaders setup teams and match days/times (with BW help!!!) and off we go... That would also encourage peeps to join guilds and get more community interaction in a game designed for community interaction... /rant i dunno, the purpose of these games is to get better gear than everyone so you can dominate more than a fair share of enemies...... ranked wz's are gonna determine who gets to be the kings of each server, i dont see anythingwrong with that.....the best players rule, the rest practice until they can be the best

Organikal

03.01.2012 , 12:51 PM \| #109	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya ????? Why does it make no sense? Why can't a pug PvP group play against a premade if they want to? Is there a reason for this? Yes, you think the QQ'ers are out now because they are solo queued into premades... imagine when the ranked games start and they lose every Huttball in 3 minutes. This situation will also inflate some team rankings which won't properly reflect a teams skill level.

Organikal

03.01.2012 , 12:52 PM \| #110	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus Not for a second do I believe that Bioware will require winning in ranked games to be rewarded. The PvP gearing system in this game is so carebear friendly that there is no doubt in my mind that you will be able to lose your way to ranked comms. Sweet mother I hope you're kidding. The gear will and should be available ONLY with certain rating/ranking.

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