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Skitlz
03.01.2012 , 10:02 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
I agree. If people cant compete with premades then they dont get the gear. In the end, people will start making premades to compete and we will get better overall competition. Most will not compete and will cry about premades.

I dont cry about premades, or about or sorcs or about this class being OP, I compete.
You are a true player then. By all means go for it, if your pug group beets my premade and u dont mind fighting them, yes u should get the same gear as we do and be rewareded accordingly

For those who complain about premades they shouldnt have access to the content.

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Nigyl
03.01.2012 , 10:03 AM | #52
I queue solo currently (since I'm in a social PvE guild but have a WZ addiction), but I'm not sure I'd want to get lumped in with 7 strangers to go up against a full premade of 8; even if it was for a shot at better gear.

As someone else posted, I use my friends list for people I think are good in WZ's. Once the rated stuff gets closer, I'll likely try and find a regular group with some of them.

Not sure I want to see this turn into an e-sport thing, though.
The "BW PvP rewards dilemma":
-too much loot for just queuing up, and the bots/afkers ruin the economy.
-too little for a win and people stop queuing.
-too wide a gap between winning and losing and we burn the forums!

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Skitlz
03.01.2012 , 10:04 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by da_krall View Post
If they make the gear so that rated pvp gear is the same as non rated pvp gear in a non rated pvp match and is only buffed in a rated pvp match then it will be fine.

Otherwise, its a realy dumb idea.

People will 'play with friends' in unrated matches in their rated gear so they can owned people and think its their skill and not the gearmaking the difference. Premade stacks are the scum of the universe, when they lie about their reason for stacking.
That makes no sense, PVE gear shouldnt be able to be equiped in PVP then either, cause we reward people who run in Nightmare mode and i dont wanna run 8 or 16 man OPS in PVE.

It amazes me the people that hav eno problem running 8 and 16 man PVE but when it comes to 8 man pvp they complain, must not be the group must be the skill.

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richardya
03.01.2012 , 10:07 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Nigyl View Post
I queue solo currently (since I'm in a social PvE guild but have a WZ addiction), but I'm not sure I'd want to get lumped in with 7 strangers to go up against a full premade of 8; even if it was for a shot at better gear..
You don't have to. But they are taking away the opportunity if you want to face the best premades.

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Spymaster
03.01.2012 , 10:09 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Skitlz View Post
That makes no sense, PVE gear shouldnt be able to be equiped in PVP then either, cause we reward people who run in Nightmare mode and i dont wanna run 8 or 16 man OPS in PVE.

It amazes me the people that hav eno problem running 8 and 16 man PVE but when it comes to 8 man pvp they complain, must not be the group must be the skill.
First, stupid systems in PvE are not a good reason to have them in PvP....

but second, and most important, PvP and PvE are different. In PvP you are in your better gear, stopping other players from making progress. In PvE what one player has doesn't really effect another.

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Chaosmagistrate
03.01.2012 , 10:09 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Nigyl View Post
I queue solo currently (since I'm in a social PvE guild but have a WZ addiction), but I'm not sure I'd want to get lumped in with 7 strangers to go up against a full premade of 8; even if it was for a shot at better gear.

As someone else posted, I use my friends list for people I think are good in WZ's. Once the rated stuff gets closer, I'll likely try and find a regular group with some of them.

Not sure I want to see this turn into an e-sport thing, though.
I couldn't even consider this game remotely ready for e-sporting as Force Leap, Jet Charge has so many environment issues that every time you jump, you run the risk of getting booted out of the environment, or confined by an invisible wall. Or speeders not spawning, or dying and hitting respawn too fast rooting your character in the spawn, then timing out. This doesn't even take into account CC and synic Transcendance/Leap/Charge, and Force Speed. And that's not even taking into account other bugs like instakilling speeders and forcing DCs with Force Push.

S1 and S2 rarely was decided by the game environment screwing your character. I would hate to see TOR PvP reach the public stage through a tournament and seeing a #1 ranked team lose because the speeders didn't spawn in Alderaan. That would just be embarassment for Austin.
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Nhaok
03.01.2012 , 10:10 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
So if i lose in ranked WZ I will get lesser rewards, but this system doesnt allow solo Q's.
Where does it say there is no solo queue? I have been looking online but can't find out officially if there is a restriction on it.
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Sevvy
03.01.2012 , 10:10 AM | #58
So what do you do if you don't have an Eternity Vault group? It's really no different. If you don't have 7 other people that want to group with you for ranked WZs, spam general.

This game is hard.
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Caeliux
03.01.2012 , 10:10 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by ComeAndSee View Post
I don't see what the complaint is.

If I see a good player in a WZ I add them to my friends list. I have so many people on my friends list now that I can snap together a group in five minutes anytime of the day.

Also, a full pre-made cannot carry 4 bad players.
^

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richardya
03.01.2012 , 10:11 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Nhaok View Post
Where does it say there is no solo queue? I have been looking online but can't find out officially if there is a restriction on it.
That is what they said in this thread:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=336165
Maybe they are wrong but that is how it seems like it will be working.
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