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Wish you could change advanced classes, great idea!

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Wish you could change advanced classes, great idea!

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twinionx
03.01.2012 , 07:40 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
How is that different than any other game?? How much do you think you know about playing a Warlock in WOW at lvl 10??

The problem is, your arguement is simply a reality of any game.. You don't like the play style of something then you have to create a new character.. What is wrong with that??

So you get to lvl 30 and decide you don't like it.. Oh well.. Roll again.. That is no reason to allow a class change.. I played a Shaman on WOW until I was about 32 or something.. I couldn't stand the totem mechanic.. I hated having to drop totems all the time.. Why didn't WOW allow me to change to a Druid or something?? Perhaps a mage??

It is called trial and error.. There is no reason to allow people to change their classes.. You want to change your class.. Re-roll..

Repeating quests is also not a reason.. Ever heard of dailies?? If you don't like repeating quests.. Perhaps you should rethink playing an MMO.. I do the space mission every day.. Over 100k in credits for just over an hours worth of work.. Just from doing space missions.. There are countless reasons to do missions over again.. Still not a reason to allow a class change..

I can remember having 4 80's in WOW and having to do dailies on all of them.. That is life in an MMO.. You are going to repeat a quest here and there.. That is just the reality of it..
I already mentioned, the concept of warrior, mage and rogues are fairly well known in a typical fantasy RPG.

What the heck is an INQUISTOR? The historical definition is that he is a religious police rooting out heretics and is closer to the warhammer witch hunter class concept than this lightsaber wielding sith.

What is a sage? Isn't he a philisopher or a teacher? Like confucius? Why is he thrown hadoken?

Players do not know all these new class definition in SWTOR. So they have to be given SOME chance to undo their mistakes which they made after only playing for few classes.

Why is ADVANCE class chosen at level 10? Shouldn't it be chosen at level 40 instead?

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chaosdefined
03.01.2012 , 07:46 AM | #62
Plus you mention doing research first on the class.

How are we to do that? Go on the website to look at the classes and you're not given much at all. Three videos showing three basic abilities and a nice little story about the AC's without any actual detail of what they do.

There's a huge difference between watching videos on youtube of how a class plays, to actually experiencing it for yourself.

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twinionx
03.01.2012 , 07:48 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
A brilliant point.

Those who are against it, are not opposing it because it will actually effect them despite claims. it will not ruin the game for them or destroy their experience. Therefore introducing it will not force them to quit out of annoyances.

Whereas those who do want it and do feel it's a quality of enjoyment change, will actually quit out of annoyance and boredom.

Not everyone finds fun in repeatedly doing the same thing for weeks.
Those who oppose it are simply IGNORANT of the issues faced by those who requests for it. All I hear are :

1.) Re-roll another character?

I have TEN ALTS and I have every wish to level them all to 50. And I still request that we have AC respec for the good of the community.

As someone who is a heavy "alt-ism" player, I don't recommend players to roll an alt because he made a mistake. By all means, roll an alt because you find it FUN. Roll an alt because you want to experience new stories. But don't roll an alt because you were FORCED to. Eventually, you will be resentful, burn out and quit.

2.) SWTOR has millions of players, we don't need the whiners?

SWTOR is not so big yet that it cannot fail. We need all the players we can attract.

3.) WoW (or other MMO/games) don't have it, why should SWTOR?

Wow didn't have AC either, duh! WoW didn't have class story either, duh! Wow didn't have companions either, double duh!

Other games don't have X, does not means SWTOR cannot have X. Otherwise, SWTOR should not have lightsabers since no other games have lightsabers as well.

Geez, as if MMOs are not allowed to innovate.

Any other lame excuses not to have AC-respec?

Oh yeah.

4.) Having AC-respec will doom SWTOR and cause end of the world!!!

Yeah right....


Oh one more...

5.) Because the dev said it!

LOL...and the dev are perfect beings incapable of making mistakes? Geez, then they better don't change any abilities and fix any bugs.

Because, yes, current AC design is BUGGY. They need to fix the design BUG/FLAW.

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chaosdefined
03.01.2012 , 07:55 AM | #64
Couldn't agree more.

Perhaps if there were more variety to the levelling process it wouldn't be so unappealing to players. I mean repeating the same class quests is one thing, they're not a huge part of the levelling. But it's the fact as anyone on the same faction you have to go to the same planets and do the same missions whilst levelling.
There's no choice in it, you can't say "Well last time I went to X planet at this level, so this time I'll go to Y planet." like you can with other MMO's.

There's too little freedom of choice in this game.

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twinionx
03.01.2012 , 08:06 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Couldn't agree more.

Perhaps if there were more variety to the levelling process it wouldn't be so unappealing to players. I mean repeating the same class quests is one thing, they're not a huge part of the levelling. But it's the fact as anyone on the same faction you have to go to the same planets and do the same missions whilst levelling.
There's no choice in it, you can't say "Well last time I went to X planet at this level, so this time I'll go to Y planet." like you can with other MMO's.

There's too little freedom of choice in this game.
From game design perspective, Bioware can fix this two ways.

A.) Re-design advance class

1.) Officially breaks down the "advance" class to 8 classes and let players choose from level 1.
2.) 8 classes means 8 different primary stats
3.) 16 different class story (8 classes x 2 for both factions)
4.) 16 different sets of companions
5.) 16 sets of armor designs
6.) 8 sets of abilities unique to the 8 classes (mirrored on the other side)
7.) 3 sets of skill tree per class (total 8 x 3 = 24 skill trees, mirrored on the other side)

OR

B.) Allow AC respec.

I think asking for AC-respec is VERY reasonable...

Bioware should count themselves fortunate we did not ask for (A).

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Bielduwyn
03.01.2012 , 12:38 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
I already mentioned, the concept of warrior, mage and rogues are fairly well known in a typical fantasy RPG.

What the heck is an INQUISTOR? The historical definition is that he is a religious police rooting out heretics and is closer to the warhammer witch hunter class concept than this lightsaber wielding sith.

What is a sage? Isn't he a philisopher or a teacher? Like confucius? Why is he thrown hadoken?

Players do not know all these new class definition in SWTOR. So they have to be given SOME chance to undo their mistakes which they made after only playing for few classes.

Why is ADVANCE class chosen at level 10? Shouldn't it be chosen at level 40 instead?
So you basically admit to being incapable of reading all the information the game provides when picking the class? They even tell you right there what the advanced classes will be capable of doing.

If you don't know what your class does you simply didn't pay attention to the character creation screen. And didn't start paying attention by the time you got to pick your AC.

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ArtMonster
03.01.2012 , 12:41 PM | #67
my vote is also 'no' to adv. class switching.

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VanorDM
03.01.2012 , 12:43 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
A.) Re-design advance class
Nothing on that list really is in any way a requirement. I'm pretty sure Mages and Warlocks use much the same stats and equipment. I know they have the same story line...

So no the things you list don't need to be done to change the way the AC system works.

But even then waiting until lvl 10 to pick an AC doesn't need to change either, and is not by any means grounds to allow people to change their class.

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Kindara
03.01.2012 , 12:50 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Sadly it's an argument that will never end.

I'm totally for it. The problem is too many people believe what Bioware tells them, that an Advanced Class is a seperate Class. But it's not. If you have a Powertech and a Mercenary, you still get called a Bounty Hunter, still go to the Bounty Hunter trainer, still get a good majority of the same abilities and still play through the Bounty Hunter storyline.

Advanced Classes are nothing more than glorified specs, much like a Holy Paladin or a Retribution Paladin...or a Feral Druid and a Moonkin Druid.

Getting to level 10 is a couple of hours. Really think about that though, can you imagine any MMO where you couldn't choose your class until you'd played for two hours?

All those who are opposed to it have, in my opinion, poor arguments that just boil down to nothing more than they don't like the idea so nobody should be able to experience it! They don't care about quality of life for other players, they don't want something that doesn't effect them!

It will get implimented though, at some stage. Most likely when SWTOR's subscription numbers begin to fall.

Either that or allow us to pick our AC from the very beginning.
They are completely different classes. Being a Powertech I have abilities a Merc Doesn't as a Merc they have abilities I don't. There's also 2 - 3 different stat choices depending on the tree you pick. And even weapon choices.

They play completely differently letting them swap Advanced Class aka A Class not a Skill tree is down right insane you'd have to keep fixing all your bars every time you switch and I don't mean just 1 or 2 buttons you get from your skill tree but your WHOLE bar except for the like what 3 or 4 base abilities you get before level 11.

Sith Warrior is even a bigger switch since a Jugg uses heavy armor and 1 lightsaber while a mara uses 2 lightsabers and medium armor.

If the classes were mostly the same other than the trees like say..WoW or even Warhammer it'd make sense. This is alot like EQ2 (in the beginning) where what you picked mattered as the classes play different, uses different stat styles, and have different aabilities.

I'm all for Dual Spec so people can swap between heal / damage or tank / damage but between tank / heals because of Advanced classes? No...Absolutely Not. I dont want this game homogonized. If you know you're never going to heal or tank then pick the Class with the best DPS tree choices.

You can preview the trees before you make your choice, they also explain its permante and they also explains what each class is best for. IF you can't make read and comprehend and feel you made a mistake...you should know with in a few levels adn it takes what an hour or two to start over? Its pretty obvious to anyone with any sort of RPG experience what class is best for your playstyle especially if you spend 2 seconds to check things out and ask questions.

Oh and Everquest 2 has / had AdvancedClasses and guess what you can't swap those either.

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bentonprentice
03.01.2012 , 01:01 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
Yet another player identify the flaws of the current AC design. And yet Bioware turns a blind eye to its flawed AC design.

Is there a way to conduct opinion poll on this issue to see how many are for AC-respec and how many are against AC-respec?

Bioware, you once conducted a poll to change the Jedi Wizard to Jedi Sage, why don't you do it again?
I to am for this and have added it in my first thread on here, please visit it and give your opinion on the matter.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=336652