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Agenteusa
03.01.2012 , 03:52 AM | #521
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I'll play again when there is competitive pvp and new harder content.
Iīll once again say, yes , the game is not hard, that said itīs not that easy for the majority of people.

Cmon man you surely undestand developers arenīt responsible for guild skill. If your guild if full of great players itīs obvious youīre going to drop content fast. And ofc they canīt know every player skill and how the players will come togheter as guilds to know the overall skill of every group.

But that quote do you mean you canīt have fun without having some sort of pvp ranking system or you mean that players arenīt competitive enough for you?

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Agenteusa
03.01.2012 , 04:13 AM | #522
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Hell, a guild-mate of mine grinded BM from rank 0 to rank 60 is just over two weeks. And it'll get even "easier" next week.
Have you ever read any poll results on how many hours on average an mmo gamer plays (not just in swtor)?

Iīm sorry but again, if your friend got to BM in 2 even 3 weeks either:

- He joined in that pathetic lolfest going on in Ilum (I surely donīt need to explain it to you).

- He plays way too much and in that case theres really nothing to do.

This remembers me of some folks playing Skyrim , going through the main story and then qqīing in the forums that the game was a deception cause it was over too fast.
Seriously , if you donīt have boundaries (I know what that is since I used to not have them) what do you expect from developers?

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Aepervius
03.01.2012 , 04:29 AM | #523
Quote: Originally Posted by Eddizel View Post
This doesn't even have anything relevant to do with the topic. I did enjoy the game (somewhat). I played it, I saw the story, I beat all the content, I got all the gear, I pvped alot, and now I am done.

Since this isn't a single player game, and it is an MMO with a subscription, there needs to be reasons for quality players and guilds to continue playing.

Maybe it is cocky to say that, that we think we are good, but what else is there to say? We were able to devour the entry content very quickly without playing very much. Now we are waiting on 1.2 with nothing to do. And if we are able to breeze through that as quickly as the pvp and pve content from this first tier......well........thats all she wrote for my guild probably.

Has absolutely nothing to do with envy, rivalry, or greed, or how nice or good a place our server is. How we play doesn't really have anything to do with that.
Please note that you are confusing having a lot of time, with being good. Finishing content before others does not mean in any way shape or form, that you are a quality player.
Tempus Fugit : Omnes Vulnerant, Ultima Necat Ergo Memento Mori .

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Alavastre
03.01.2012 , 04:54 AM | #524
Can't really disagree, even though I don't fall into the hardcore player at all. PVPer's need at least 2 more maps to play this year, and some rated arena stuff. Raiders need more and harder stuff to do if they have burned through it. Still, this is a new game, there is only so much content they can create which may or may not be enough.

I would be disappointed if 1.2 doesn't bring with it a new PVP map.
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Agenteusa
03.01.2012 , 04:59 AM | #525
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Only the weak minded falls to jedi mind tricks. Im a sith, try that on a bounty hunter or imp agent.
OOT : Excuse me? Imperial agents are the ones who avoid sith lords f***** it up everytime (ofc they eventually f*** it up anyway but oh well) :P


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Then don't lie to us, don't have "nightmare" mode raids that I could set my cat loose on my keyboard and beat
Try to get a dog, see if it makes it harder :P

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"QQ classes x,y, and z are overpowered"
Actually I see more hardcores complaining than casuals about this. You know why? Because (normally) casuals have too few time to even worry about starting fights over pvp that most (casuals) donīt even play.

I was a Concealment Operative I got nerfed, I changed to medicine and had some stuff that didnīt work in my tree. I decided to roll a Pyro PT to pvp and I kill battlemasters with 1 champ and 1 cent piece. Does that mean Iīm going to be nerfed again?

Anyway, point is everyone (I give the slight edge to players that play more) complain a lot about every other class that beats them.

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Tarithella
03.01.2012 , 05:14 AM | #526
Quote: Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
Please note that you are confusing having a lot of time, with being good. Finishing content before others does not mean in any way shape or form, that you are a quality player.
This is spot on. Time available to play does not relate to skill. Time played to clear all content can often denote skill however.

All said and done the true hardcore players leveled and the majority probably left within the 1st month due to lack of end game content without a murmur or forum post. The people left behind aren't the theorycrafters or community authors/leaders of yesteryear but are probably either,

1/ People who think they are hardcore players but simply aren't who are very vocal about why the game is bad. [The X Box Generation]

2/ People who used to high end raid in other games but are now playing on a more casual basis but who intend to raid eventually or are raiding currently. [Predominately older players with other committments]

3/ The truly casual players who are just enjoying the ride but are sick of the endless QQ so they QQ back as they know no other way.

4/ Star Wars fans who have not played an MMO who are just enjoying the story and experiance.

Basically the same demographic as every other MMO at launch. Same QQ different game.

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Saurakk
03.01.2012 , 07:45 AM | #527
Quote: Originally Posted by Eddizel View Post
Wrong, I have already pointed out multiple times, my guild did everything in the game playing on a very casual schedule of 9 hours a week. And we barely even played that because nothing slowed us down, Soa 16 man nightmare took less then 10 attempts.........give me a break.

You don't need massive amounts of free time, you just have to not suck.
Exactly. Is it rocket science? No. Is it harder than soloing? Of course.

Many people find they cannot follow directions, be patient, work as a team. Its a different type of play that not every is able to grasp.

If it were so easy, everyone would do it. My old raiding guild only raided 2 days a week for 3 hours each day. Most self proclaimed casual players put in more time than that.

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ratfanatic
03.01.2012 , 07:47 AM | #528
Why do people always assume that those at max level are quitting, and not rolling alts?
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Saurakk
03.01.2012 , 07:51 AM | #529
Quote: Originally Posted by Reeny View Post
The "hardcore" crowd is really not needed in any games.

Catering to them is useless because they are so high maintenance.
Want this, want that, whine about this and that and they all pay the same $15.
Make the game too hard and they whine.
Make it easy and they whine.

"Hardcores" think that everyone, including casuals, look up to them which is nothing further from the truth.
No one cares about the hardcores.

If a game truely caters to the hardcore, their subscription numbers will drop like a rock.
The hardcore will bail to another MMO like GW2 as soon as it comes out.

The most successful games are the casual games
e.g. Angry Birds, Farmville
Why can't I sit?

Why is there no swimming?

I want pretty clothes to sit in the bar with, why can't I sit again?

My fluff pets are not fluffy enough.

My class story quest is too hard!

Why is there no social hub?

I have to run too much?

We can stereotype all day long if it makes you feel better. It does not to address the issue or the topic however.

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Saurakk
03.01.2012 , 07:57 AM | #530
The main people being rude and attacking on this thread are posing subjective drivel like your post.

Look in the mirror first before judging others who simply are asking for more challenging content.

Trust me, if you stop looking to be annoyed by imaginary things you won't even know they are there.