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Dayfax
02.29.2012 , 07:11 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
I gave you at least some evidence to support what I was saying. You choose to ignore it all and shout that you're right.

I keep asking you for evidence and you keep skirting the issue. You can't provide any proof.

Therefore everything you say is nothing more than simply your opinion and should be taken as such.
Ouch. I think I actually hurt myself this time from hitting my face with a double /facepalm. So count that as a win, I guess.

For the third time: you provided no evidence. Forum polls don't count. Calling this evidence does not, actually, make it evidence.

And I'd be careful linking to earnings calls. To paraphrase:

Quote:
During the call, CEO of Blizzard Entertainment Mike Morhaime pointed out that World of Warcraft had fallen again to pre-Cataclysm subscriber levels -- 11.4 million subscribers at the end of March, down from its peak of 12 million. Subscriber levels do not decline linearly, he pointed out, stating that they fluctuate based on how quickly players consume and complete content. Players are consuming Cataclysm's content faster than any expansion before it, so subscriber levels started to drop off more quickly than they have previously.
http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/wo...n-subscribers/

Hm.. What in-game tool would allow players to chew through content at never before seen rates? Anyone know? Anyone? Bueller?


Quote: Originally Posted by KhealThar View Post
So many people unsubbed during that patch dude, not saying it was because of the LFD tool but when you base your game around the gear grind and having literally nothing to do once you're fully geared, the game gets boring and people stop playing it until you release a new content patch.

A LFD tool just speeds up that process.
^ This. Exactly.
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IIII-IIII-IIII
02.29.2012 , 07:11 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Smitar View Post
It's really quite simple...if you don't like cross server tools...don't use them. Band together with like minded people and pretend the tools (cross server, not the guildies) don't exist.
I think a great compromise would be the option to toggle between Same server/Cross Server on your LFG tool.

That way both sides are happy without excluding the others preference.
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Meldwyn
02.29.2012 , 07:11 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinrain View Post
The LFG tool and the tools it attracted was one of the main reasons I cancelled WoW and kicked my heels for a year until SWTOR came out.

As a tank my wait time for a heroic dungeon would consistantly be under 10 seconds. Yet my guild friends who were DPS would wait for ages and ages.

When you did get a group around 40% of the time they were populated with the rudest people i've ever played any game with. Because there were no consequences to moderate that behaviour. Ninja looting, abusive language and attitudes and complete intolerance were common. Now i'm a nice guy, I belive in helping others and being polite, I was also the MT for a pretty well progressed guild with some great gear and knew how to do my job so to go into a heroic with a group of strangers and be insulted as a bad player when they screw up isn't what I pay a subscription for.

If the SWTOR Devs implement a LFFP tool I hope it has the options to search on
1. Just your server.
2. Your Server and a sister server.
3. All Servers.
So many things don't add up with this...

First, you had guild friends that would wait while you just got right in... any chance you could have grouped with them to alleviate this wait time for your dps guildies?

Also, who, exactly, forced you to use the LFG tool that you despised so much? You were a tank, you could have gotten any group you wanted...

Finally, your experience is not universal. I too was a tank for a progression guild both pre and post LFG tool. I rarely, if ever, experienced issues using the tool. My son loved it as well. Made filling spots so much easier than the spam in Trade chat.

It is unfortunate you had these bad experiences, but it was not like this for everyone.
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GhostDrone
02.29.2012 , 07:13 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Mamono View Post
The world pvp in this game was already doomed when they instanced everything. World PvP was non existing alredy from day 1.
And world PvP will probably be nonexistent in SWToR to the end of the game. Unless the do a full overhaul of the game, but since EA are so greedy as they are, that will not happen.

As for LFG, Im a casual player, I don’t have the luxury to wait an hour and a half to get a group going. Unfortanly I can’t spec tank either, because EA have decided that if you like to heal, you can’t play a tank. Hurray. And on top of that, when you at last get a group together, you keep viping and viping and viping on bosses because they bug out. Take Direktive 7HM, the 2nd boss. Try guess what class I am when I say I have yet to get past this boss because of this bug.
Ending up wasting 2 hours just to not be able to complete 1 HM instance.
(And for thouse fo you who have no idea of this problem, try ask what the bounty hunte bug in D7HM is)
Well, maybe in the future they will fixe this, but for now it is to late. Canceld subscription and moving on to a proper MMO with proper MMO features that actually work.

Cant belive that that worlds most expencive game, the worlds biggest MMO released game wit the worlds biggest multimedia titles behind it cant make a proper and good UI to its game.
There is so many things that is wrong with the UI in this game that it is hard to believe this is the “behemoth” of the MMO’s. Why the heck do the game lag out like that when you open your inventory while you move around?
Test it out. Start moving forword, autorun or hold down moving key, then open and close your inventory. Spam the key if you like and watch the game strangle it self. O.o
Or try to "prevew" an item in a shop. And then prevew a new item. What? You have to "turn off" the prevew of the 1st item to look at the next item? And you cant prevew gear you cant use?

Nah, time to find a proper MMO and not a consol-game wannabe.
Canceled subscription, you say?

I thought people with no active subscriptions get their posting permissions disabled...

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Meldwyn
02.29.2012 , 07:14 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayfax View Post
Ouch. I think I actually hurt myself this time from hitting my face with a double /facepalm. So count that as a win, I guess.

For the third time: you provided no evidence. Forum polls don't count. Calling this evidence does not, actually, make it evidence.

And I'd be careful linking to earnings calls. To paraphrase:


http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/wo...n-subscribers/

Hm.. What in-game tool would allow players to chew through content at never before seen rates? Anyone know? Anyone? Bueller?

^ This. Exactly.
Actually, from my friends that still play the game in a progression guild that I started, say that the raids are waaaaay too easy now. We were not an elite group of raiders by any means, so if they are saying this... it has nothing to do with a LFR or LFG tool. The content has been dumbed down.
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IIII-IIII-IIII
02.29.2012 , 07:17 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by GhostDrone View Post
Canceled subscription, you say?

I thought people with no active subscriptions get their posting permissions disabled...
Not until the billing cycle is up.
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Dayfax
02.29.2012 , 07:19 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
Actually, from my friends that still play the game in a progression guild that I started, say that the raids are waaaaay too easy now. We were not an elite group of raiders by any means, so if they are saying this... it has nothing to do with a LFR or LFG tool. The content has been dumbed down.
Right! And the content was dumbed down (even further than it already was in LK) to make sure LFG and LFR worked at all, on a fundamental level.

You can't pack 25 people into a raid with no coordination and limited means of communication & expect them to pull off Mimiron Firefighter.

Hence, dumbed down content in the extreme, eg Dragonsoul LFR.
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Meldwyn
02.29.2012 , 07:23 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayfax View Post
Right! And the content was dumbed down (even further than it already was in LK) to make sure LFG and LFR worked at all, on a fundamental level.

You can't pack 25 people into a raid with no coordination and limited means of communication & expect them to pull off Mimiron Firefighter.

Hence, dumbed down content in the extreme, eg Dragonsoul LFR.
I don't know this from personal experience, because its been almost a year since I played WoW, but are you saying that the LFR tool made it necessary to dumb down the raids so that PUG's could run them successfully?

If so, that is unfortunate. However, the LFG tool had nothing to do with any adjustment of dungeons. As a matter of fact, I loved the tool for leveling alts. Made it possible to see content that was long abandoned in Outlands and other ghost town areas. I experienced all of the dungeons, as opposed to max level ones only.
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Smitar
02.29.2012 , 07:27 AM | #89
And again, the dumbed down content only impacts you if you avail yourself of the LFR tool.

Did you progress all the way through the heroic content? Which, the last I heard, hadn't been dumbed down in the slightest. Players from raiding guilds elite enough to be running through heroic content have, exactly, how much contact with the commoners in the rest of the game? Only as much as they want...they have no need to be using LFR unless they want to for their own convenience or amusement.

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Dayfax
02.29.2012 , 07:28 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
I don't know this from personal experience, because its been almost a year since I played WoW, but are you saying that the LFR tool made it necessary to dumb down the raids so that PUG's could run them successfully?

If so, that is unfortunate. However, the LFG tool had nothing to do with any adjustment of dungeons. As a matter of fact, I loved the tool for leveling alts. Made it possible to see content that was long abandoned in Outlands and other ghost town areas. I experienced all of the dungeons, as opposed to max level ones only.
Yes. Did you ever run the PvP/PvE raid bosses around Wintergrasp and Tol Barad? Remember how easy they were? The LFR bosses are easier than that. They're about as challenging as killing boars in Durotar. (Why Bioware seems intent on following this model is beyond me).

I agree with you about those other dungeons, btw. It was a lot of fun running alts through Stratholme, Dire Maul, and Mana Tombs again at the appropriate level with a full group.

LFG isn't all bad, but I think there are overwhelming disadvantages in implementing it, which Blizzard is finding out the hard way.
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