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500 valor for the first 4 medals...bad idea!

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500 valor for the first 4 medals...bad idea!

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TBurglar
02.29.2012 , 02:23 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by thewalshinator View Post
I prefer the idea of 250 per medal for first 8 medals.
Even pure DPS classes can achieve 8 if they play well, 4 just seems too little.
And why should DPS classes have to work harder than everyone else to get the same reward? Also you're missing the point where an 8 medal cap would still involve everyone grinding out medals for the entirety of the match to get the greatest amount of valor and comms instead of playing the actual game.

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Astridd
02.29.2012 , 02:32 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by jontyld View Post
I'm all for it. Once players get their 4 medals, they could go back to focusing on actually winning the match.
So what am I supposed to do AFTER 0-4, or 200-450?

Medals are the only incentive to play hard, after the fate of the game is sealed.

This change is a pathetic bandaid. Not the right fix.

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MalFunkShun
02.29.2012 , 02:33 AM | #63
This is a GREAT idea considering how I try to play. Here's what I do:

If I'm in Alderaan and my team caps Mid, usually 3 people (myself included) sit around over there. If we also cap left, then I place myself between their path to left. I can usually either pick off one, maybe two if they're undergeared. If it's a group of 3, I just let people know left is inc and I'll try and take someone down with me.

However, I'm not near an objective point, so I'm not getting credit for that. I'm also not constantly attacking, I'm defending. So I won't always get 10 kills, defense medals, guard medals. When I play that was I usually only get 4 medals.

Did I just help my team win? You bet I did. Could I have gotten 10-11 medals if I wanted to? Yeah, but I'd rather win.
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contentment
02.29.2012 , 02:34 AM | #64
Could it be anymore easier to farm valour.

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Tirium
02.29.2012 , 02:38 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaed View Post
I highlighted the important part. Medals are ridiculously easy to achieve for your class. Not so for other classes. Healers, as I hear it, struggle to get 6.

This fix may not be ideal, but at least it means every class has access to the same amount of medals. The only other way to balance things would be for Bioware to make every single medal equally challenging to achieve for each AC.
My favorite are people that tell Healers "hey guys, stop being lazy and you can hit 300k damage too lolololol!"

Except, that's not my job. I'm not doing effective damage. I'm doing negligible damage. Thankfully, my RL friends have had me away from my fifty since mid-December, so I can't speak much to the current state of things (I have about 6 toons in their 40s right now across 4 servers, don't ask), but I know at least low level (and last time I was on my healing merc), I do have to sacrifice resources to do damage as a Healer, which let's be honest, is no where near the effective burst damage a dedicated DPSer could pull if I heal him.

It still costs Heat/Ammo/Force/Energy to do DPS, much as it does Healing. Squandering my Healing resources to do DPS isn't only me being selfish and medal farming, but it's me not doing my job. It has nothing to do with laziness.

The only medals healers can get fairly easily without compromising their job are 10 kills, 25 kills, 2.5k heal, 5k heal, 75k healed, 300k healed.

Depending on the WZ, 1k and 3k objective as well (Healing gets you almost NOTHING on Voidstar in terms of objective points, and it's wishy-washy on Huttball -- I've had matches I've spammed heals on the Ball runner and received, at best, 300 obj points, meanwhile DPSing down ball carriers on my DPSers nets me 3k obj points easily). Alderaan I can hit a Warden medal pretty easily as heals though.

That being said, I am all in favor for this change, considering my level 25 Assassin gets 11 medals without trying right now, while busting my *** on my Healer nets me 6 medals at best, and really only my Sage can get the 5k heal one currently (the rest of my Healers lack the expertise/surge).

Assassin: 1k obj, 3k obj, 75k damage, 1 on 1 kill, killing blow, 10 enemies killed, 25 enemies killed, 2.5k protected in one life, 5k protected, 10k in one life, 50k protected
^requires me to stand by people and autoattack

Non-Sage/Sorc Healers: 2.5k Heal, 75k Healed, 300k Healed, 10 kills, 25 kills.
^Requires me to constantly spam abilities and target intelligently
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GenMacG
02.29.2012 , 03:24 AM | #66
Seriously, how big of an idiot would somebody have to be to subscribe to a game where he plays only the first 2 minutes of a 15min WZ so he can get his 4 medals and then go AFK for 13min. What would be the purpose of that?
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Shlamorel
02.29.2012 , 03:38 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by dejavy View Post
Farming medals is not what i'm talking about. BW will just make medal farmers life easier, that's it. Most come to WZ for valor because there's no reward for door cracking or goals on Huttball. If they don't change the reward system, peeps will just come and rest after getting 4 medals.

As for the second thread. It was so quickly going down that i thought it would be more suitable to create it in PVP tree.

You get more valor for winning than losing... so someone who is only getting their 4 medals then afk'ing/not helping won't be maximizing their valor potential.
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Deesasther
02.29.2012 , 03:47 AM | #68
So u get the same medals to buy bags and same amount or actually more valour than before. U need to win to get the dailies done. Nothings much changed except balancing about some classes getting extra valour comapred to other classes. Valour is boosted in WZs, which is good considering the state of Ilum. I can't see anything negative about this patch. Why such a whine???

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Lundorff
02.29.2012 , 04:38 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Shlamorel View Post
You get more valor for winning than losing... so someone who is only getting their 4 medals then afk'ing/not helping won't be maximizing their valor potential.
Yes this as been repeated ad nauseum, but if going AFK allows the other team to win in half the time it normally would take, the AFKer could join a new Warzone and gain yet another 2k Valor. If the Valor Winning Rewards is less than 30-50% more then losing, the AFKer would gain more Valor from those 2 lost rounds than those wining 1.

There should be a much greater difference between winning and losing a Warzone - stop rewarding losers (yes, if you have lost a warzone you are the current loser as am I) with epic amounts of Valor / Credits / Commendations / EXP.

Make winning the purpose.

And isn't the medal/objective-thing also changing? Something about a lot of new objective based medals to be introduced soon?

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Shlamorel
02.29.2012 , 04:57 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Lundorff View Post
Yes this as been repeated ad nauseum, but if going AFK allows the other team to win in half the time it normally would take, the AFKer could join a new Warzone and gain yet another 2k Valor. If the Valor Winning Rewards is less than 30-50% more then losing, the AFKer would gain more Valor from those 2 lost rounds than those wining 1.

There should be a much greater difference between winning and losing a Warzone - stop rewarding losers (yes, if you have lost a warzone you are the current loser as am I) with epic amounts of Valor / Credits / Commendations / EXP.

Make winning the purpose.

And isn't the medal/objective-thing also changing? Something about a lot of new objective based medals to be introduced soon?
I see your perspective. I don't deny your scenario gives a more efficient way to grind valor. I like PvP'ing for fun moreso than the medals/valor so I wouldn't give up regardless. I'm probably the guy you hate in warzones because I'm not letting them win to just "go ahead and get it over with."

I can't fathom what it is like to pay 15$ a month for a game to prioritize efficient valor gain over persistence in winning and trying to overcome bad odds - but I totally respect what value others get out of the game. "Fun" is a subjective word so if that is how you enjoy the game, then whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

We can just agree to disagree - I'm ok with that
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