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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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bellok
02.29.2012 , 01:43 AM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by Faulhaber View Post
But this was not the case, because most of the time we'd just need to dispel a single person trying to cap. As a Scoundrel I could always remove all negative effects from myself and dispel another one also trying to cap. There was never a point in trying to dispel dots as they were landed. The priority was always to kill any pests around, dispel if needed the teammate trying to cap and get ready to CC those on the way.

The fact that remains is that vital shot will still be spammable and very efficiently applying the its internal damage heavily boosted by talents so the dot is still very viable for those contending for the most damage dealt. I don't like the change but on the other hand I get now an extra talent point removed from the dispel talent that I know exactly where to place it.
What are you changing it to? Just out of curiosity?

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Saltydogg
02.29.2012 , 01:44 AM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
/raspberry. Who's the angry imp? You are!
And you will be the few remaining players left when it merges to one server saying this game is great
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SableShadow
02.29.2012 , 01:45 AM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
Nice post, some class like the operative a nice grenade with aoe damage with a low CD. You can use it on CD and nobody will be able to cap anything if they don't kill you.
Errr ... if I'm alive, I have a skill called "Rifle Shot", with zero cooldown.

If I'm alive, I will use it.

And you will not cap.

My smug has Flurry of Bolts. Same deal.

You're on a roll, though ... can't wait for the Germans to bomb Pearl Harbor.



Quote: Originally Posted by Faulhaber View Post
But this was not the case, because most of the time we'd just need to dispel a single person trying to cap. As a Scoundrel I could always remove all negative effects from myself and dispel another one also trying to cap. There was never a point in trying to dispel dots as they were landed. The priority was always to kill any pests around, dispel if needed the teammate trying to cap and get ready to CC those on the way.

The fact that remains is that vital shot will still be spammable and very efficiently applying the its internal damage heavily boosted by talents so the dot is still very viable for those contending for the most damage dealt. I don't like the change but on the other hand I get now an extra talent point removed from the dispel talent that I know exactly where to place it.
A plurality, if not a majority, assumes we ops/smugs run around in stealth all the time, just waiting to op-gank-them-zomg rather than help cap objectives. People are flat out *astonished* when a concealment spec does anything else.

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Guzul
02.29.2012 , 01:48 AM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by Faulhaber View Post
But this was not the case, because most of the time we'd just need to dispel a single person trying to cap. As a Scoundrel I could always remove all negative effects from myself and dispel another one also trying to cap. There was never a point in trying to dispel dots as they were landed. The priority was always to kill any pests around, dispel if needed the teammate trying to cap and get ready to CC those on the way.
ok ok ok you dispel one guy, the dot reapear 1 sec later becasue someone recast it. You still need to dispel it again but it's on CD. You don't see the pattern here? I took less time to reapply a dot compare to remove it.

BUT kill the dots spammer. Yeah in every example that guy is alone with no healer and no teamates. In rated WZ ppl play in team and they will be on vent/ts. So you won't see 1 person defending a door.
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mufutiz
02.29.2012 , 01:51 AM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Saltydogg View Post
How is this a good change? IT renders two out of the three WZ's useless. Voidstar will be over in minutes, all you need is the whole team to rush the door and click on it.
Actually dot ticks preventing caps made something like trying to capture side notes on Alderaan just silly. The WZ will not be useless, it will be even more fun now!

With dots preventing caps removed plus the additional time it takes for the speeder bikes to be activated now, civil war will be more about better gameplay and allocating your resources (=players) and less about having, for example, a single scoundrel defend the side note and being able to respawn at the node before your scrap bomb wears off the 3 people who just organized an assault on the node you defended all by yourself.

that's just silly. (I did it myself and still - or maybe because of it - I realize just how stupid, albeit fun, it is)

And the silliness is just the same in voidstar.
That map will still be about having the better communication and better organized team, only a total cheese mechanic was removed for everyones profit.

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Guzul
02.29.2012 , 01:53 AM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by SableShadow View Post
Errr ... if I'm alive, I have a skill called "Rifle Shot", with zero cooldown.

If I'm alive, I will use it.

And you will not cap.

My smug has Flurry of Bolts. Same deal.

You're on a roll, though ... can't wait for the Germans to bomb Pearl Harbor.

... I know you are joking but you don't seem to understand. You don't need to be alive to prevent a cap with dots. I was talking about the fact the grenade can prevent 4-5 ppl at the same time to cap an objective.

But since you said TOR will fail faster than warhammer even if warhammer was nearly dead after 2 months. I know you are just a troll with no info.
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bellok
02.29.2012 , 01:57 AM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by Saltydogg View Post
And you will be the few remaining players left when it merges to one server saying this game is great
I never said this game is great, but it is getting better.

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Saltydogg
02.29.2012 , 02:00 AM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by mufutiz View Post
Actually dot ticks preventing caps made something like trying to capture side notes on Alderaan just silly. The WZ will not be useless, it will be even more fun now!

With dots preventing caps removed plus the additional time it takes for the speeder bikes to be activated now, civil war will be more about better gameplay and allocating your resources (=players) and less about having, for example, a single scoundrel defend the side note and being able to respawn at the node before your scrap bomb wears off the 3 people who just organized an assault on the node you defended all by yourself. that's just silly.

And the silliness is just the same in voidstar.
That map will still be about having the better communicationg and better organized team, only a total cheese mechanic was removed for everyones profit.
What? How do you figure? You know what made Alderaan silly? The ability to bike right in to a node, thats what. I can remove most dots in the game as a commando healer and I dont find it hard to cap at all. This change will turn the WZ's from a challenge to easy mode farm status for over geared 50's . Why should you be able to cap a node with a dot on you? Explain why that is unfair?
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SableShadow
02.29.2012 , 02:00 AM | #389
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
... I know you are joking but you don't seem to understand. You don't need to be alive to prevent a cap with dots. I was talking about the fact the grenade can prevent 4-5 ppl at the same time to cap an objective.
One (1) person with a cleanse waits until the interference gets zapped, then cleanses, then you cap.

It ... I guess I shouldn't be amazed. It's the forums, after all.

Anyways, it's coming, so everyone better brush up on the tactics (if they needed this one to begin with ... as I said before, Rifle Shot / Flurry of Bolts is very underated ... and not just for cap prevention).

Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
But since you said TOR will fail faster than warhammer even if warhammer was nearly dead after 2 months. I know you are just a troll with no info.
Eh? Wrong person. It's ok, "SableShadow" is like "Darkity Dark of Darkness" ... lotta flavors out there.

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Saltydogg
02.29.2012 , 02:01 AM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
I never said this game is great, but it is getting better.
Getting better how? Through the upcomming gear grind? They havent even fixed the Aclarity issues with commando heals. I guess maybe we need more carebear stuff in the works to make people happy.
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