Performance issues linked to BW's Engine or Customers "Low end Pcs"

I think those that can are actually playing the game and not posting on the forums.

That's not proof that the engine isn't optimized now. That's proof it wasn't finished then....2004? 2005?

You left out the very next part:

"He didn’t care. “We are going to have tons of engineers. We can finish it ourselves. We’re going to want to modify your source code for our special project anyway.” "

So it's interesting to see you say: "You are not going to tell me that BioWare took a product that was not finished, optimized, or ready for production, and finished building it for use."

...when the very next part of what you quoted says exactly that.

I have more money than like 14 people on this earth.


My computer spec is pretty much not available to the general public.

(Think WOPR from Wargames, and you have the idea)

And even I get diminished fps in Ilum with 20+ fight.

The rest of this talk is just filler.

I find much of this thread funny.

Low frame rate doesn't mean bad engine optimization. It can simply mean that it's trying to do too much. Maybe the low LOD models aren't low enough LOD so it's still trying to push too many polygons. Maybe the artists aren't very efficient in their use of polygons so the models take up way more polygons than they need for the level of graphic fidelity. Tons of things that could be causing the problem other than "engine optimization".

That being said... looking at that initial movie... nothing struck me as particularly bad about it until I actually paid attention to the frame rate in the corner... which was consistently single digits. I guess I'm just not particularly susceptible to problems with low frame rate. It looked perfectly fine to me.

As somebody who got a new rig after the game came out, there is definitely an issue with the specs the game claims are minimum not actually being what is required to not have almost unplayable lag in PvP.

I have never had PvP become unplayable for me, but i did take up the challenge in this post and checked my fps in a battle that was around 30v30 and i couldnt break 45 fps. How much of a test this is, im not sure because im not running the game at stock settings, i use nvidia inspector to crank things up so it doesnt look like a N64 game.

I find that, at best, spurious and at worst deliberate hyperbole.

You are asserting that there is no one who can run the game without problems that doesn't participate in the boards or look at the FPS issues.

I can sustain around 38 to 40 FPS on Ilum in a 10 on 10 fight. It's not really irritating, but again, not only do I have a monstrous $3000 rig but I am rolling on a T1. I haven't really weighed into the FPS debates much before today, and I'm not doing so now because of any effect on me personally, but because I dislike chop-logic.

And that's what most of these statements are. We know most of the issues with FPS are in PVP , Ilum and the occasional 16-man raid towards the end. We know these are very vocal groups about all manner of things. And we know that with all the QQ on these forums that the big Three complaints (FPS-ability delay/nerfs/faction balance) get splashed all over the place.

Yet none of these people -- not one -- can post anything backing up what Bioware is stating?

My own personal situation makes it pretty plain that if the issue is primarily that of the client side, and the engine is well optimized, that anyone with complaints should be in the minority. We see plenty of people saying "I have no FPS issues in the fleet". We see plenty of people saying "I have no ability delay". We have plenty of people saying " I can run with full shadows and AA and get no lag".

We have no one at all , ever, stating "I can run PVP 10 v 10 or 15 vs 15 with 50 FPS". I find the probability that these mystical good-gaming-experience people are simply too enthralled with PVP to bother to post on the forums ... ahem, unlikely to say the least.

There are 20v20 battles on Ilum?
Talk about trying to prove the impossible !

Would love to see proof of this aswell. I constantly see people claim they don't have any performance issues. I guess it depends on what standards you have, personally I feel it gets choppy and less enjoyable when it gets down to 20-30. I'm used to 60+ from other games.

I know nobody needs to proove anything, they aren't the ones with the burden of proof but just to end it once and for all, would be intresting to see if they can back up their claims or if they are just defending this game for whatever reasons.

I don't think anyone can though because it's an engine problem like many have said already.

Phenom II X6 1100T
8GB Corsair DDR3 10600 (dual-channel, low timings)
64GB SATA 6Gb/s SSD for OS and core apps (browser, flash, java, VLC, etc)
2x750GB SATA 6Gb/s 7200RPM 32MB cache in RAID 0 for programs (TOR, Sony Vegas, GIMP 2, OpenOffice, etc)
Radeon HD 6870

I have anti-virus software, regularly scan for malware (always do custom install, people! :9) and have a weekly scheduled defrag of the RAID.

If I press the spacebar to jump and instantly hit inventory or character sheet, the image hangs. If I am in combat with more than half a dozen people on screen, it gets choppy.

I can play other modern, high-demand games with only the most occasional issue at high settings. I can edit and render 20+ minute videos in full widescreen HD (1920x1080) without a hitch.

Simple troubleshooting theory leads me to believe it is not my PC that is the problem, here. The issues happen reliably in exactly one program.

When I open my task manager while the game is running, I always find that one core gets slammed to almost constant 100% usage, another floating around 50-70% depending on activities engaged in and 4 cores sitting idle.

If only thing you do is leveling alt then yes no fps issues. Go to Ilum and taste max 10-20 fps!