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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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longgrassgrows
02.29.2012 , 12:00 AM | #341
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
Gratz, you can spout a win ratio. So can I. Doesn't mean the people you run with don't QQ. You know what, while we're at it, lets make AoE's not keep people from capping, some of those are spammable too.
u are really reaching now my friend...dot stopping caps are just down right stupid...glad they fixed
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nschlan
02.29.2012 , 12:01 AM | #342
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimmspat View Post
This assumes that both healers are at the same spot. In alder for example, you could have one defending a node with a tank while the other is healing the attacking group. I understand that there may be more than one type of healer in a rated wz but you are assuming both healers are in the same spot at the same time.
We're talking about Voidstar specifically. Odds are, the healers are going to be pretty damn close

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Guzul
02.29.2012 , 12:02 AM | #343
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
What part of you only need to cleanse 1 person to cap a door is hard to understand? If all the DoT spammers are dead, you cleanse 1 guy, send him to cap, everyone else CCs rezzers. They LoS, they're not spamming anything.
Yeah because the dots spammers die in few sec and they doesn't LOS. I spam dots and I can tell how it's easy for a sage/sorc to do it and avoid a lot of damage. I did it with my operative councilent, I wasn't spec to spam it and it was still op. Now I heal with my BH and I have one dots (6 sec) and it still OP.
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Grimmspat
02.29.2012 , 12:05 AM | #344
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
We're talking about Voidstar specifically. Odds are, the healers are going to be pretty damn close
Last I checked alder/civil war is part of the random Q and will be for rated. Matters just as much as the others as far as rating will go.

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nschlan
02.29.2012 , 12:06 AM | #345
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
Yeah because the dots spammers die in few sec and they doesn't LOS. I spam dots and I can tell how it's easy for a sage/sorc to do it and avoid a lot of damage. I did it with my operative councilent, I wasn't spec to spam it and it was still op. Now I heal with my BH and I have one dots (6 sec) and it still OP.
1. If they LoS, they can't cast DoTs on your team. 2. Operatives and Sorcs both die quickly to GOOD players. If your DPS can't do this you have other issues to deal with.

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_Kayko_
02.29.2012 , 12:06 AM | #346
Quote: Originally Posted by EvanSnowWolf View Post
Said in the other thread, will say it here:

Please show me where my Guardian's cleanse button is.

OMG, this isn't WoW.. not every class needs a cleanse.

How about this, we get rid of all the classes and just make 1 master Blob class that can do everything at the same time.

DoTs are an ability by multiple classes and can be cleansed.. I don't know what you people are doing, but if I have a tech DoT on me and can't cleanse it, guess what I go do?? Defend a player without a DoT that is trying to plant a Bomb or control a turret!

Guess what that player without a DoT now has to do instead of standing in one spot spamming buttons 1 (Tracer Missile), 2 (Tracer Missile), 3 (Tracer Missile), 4 (Tracer Missile), Ctrl+1 (Tracer Missile), Ctrl+2 (Tracer Missile), Sft+1 (Tracer Missile), Sft+2 (Tracer Missile).... They get to go try and control a turret or place a bomb!

It's not hard people, changing your tactic mid encounter is does not take a rocket science degree, this is simply crap that people like this change.
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Guzul
02.29.2012 , 12:07 AM | #347
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
You should read more about GW2 btw. The competitive mode is conquest and you don't click to cap
Numbers cap faster like wintergrasp or tol barad in WoW? If they decide the do something like click to cap you will never see dots stoping you to cap like TOR right now.
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nschlan
02.29.2012 , 12:08 AM | #348
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
Numbers cap faster like wintergrasp or tol barad in WoW? If they decide the do something like click to cap you will never see dots stoping you to cap like TOR right now.
Watch any vid of the PvP. Just stand on the cap, no clicking involved

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Guzul
02.29.2012 , 12:09 AM | #349
Quote: Originally Posted by _Kayko_ View Post
Guess what that player without a DoT now has to do instead of standing in one spot spamming buttons 1 (Tracer Missile), 2 (Tracer Missile), 3 (Tracer Missile), 4 (Tracer Missile), Ctrl+1 (Tracer Missile), Ctrl+2 (Tracer Missile), Sft+1 (Tracer Missile), Sft+2 (Tracer Missile).... They get to go try and control a turret or place a bomb!
Sorry to tell you that but most of the dots are instant cast so it's even easier to spam compare to tracer missile.
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SableShadow
02.29.2012 , 12:13 AM | #350
Quote: Originally Posted by Bovinity View Post
The reason why it's most frustrating is that it's a mechanic that continues to affect the tide of battle even when one side is defeated. If you have defenders at a node and I send attackers there and my attackers defeat your defenders before reinforcements arrive...ideally, that should be the end of it.

Right now though, it's not the end of it. There's too many things that cause defense to be entirely too simple right now. (This is why it boggles me how people keep saying this change makes the game "easier". The way it is right now is incredibly simple.)

Many serious PvPers have already raised concerns about Rated WZ's in the future just because with two coordinated teams, planting a bomb or taking a node is nearly impossible. For example, two skilled, coordinated teams in Voidstar typically equals a 0-0 game, just because defense is so easy. Same with Alderaan, the game is decided incredibly fast assuming both teams are reasonably organized.

Changes like this bring us closer to a system where those warzones aren't quite that bad.
First, *thank you* for making a reasoned and strong argument.

Second ... well, there is no second. As I said in my post, more interesting WZ's are, well, more intesting. And we peeps who play ops/smugs are used to the nerfbat at this point. :P

Quote: Originally Posted by Bovinity View Post
I don't get your meaning here. I'm not asking for every class to have a cleanse, but when people say, "Just cleanse them all!" then the fact that not everyone can becomes a relevant point.
You were making the generic "my opponents are evil" argument; that's ... old. If someone needs to say "my opponents want to be supermen with no regard for teamwork!" while in the same breath saying "...which is why I should be able to solo cap!" ... that's kinda ... what it is.

ops/smugs are prolly a little tired of being the punching bag, even by proxy, and DoTs are one of their trees ... so there's going to be a little pushback. I can't speak to the other classes with DoTs, but that's how I feel about the matter.