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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Guzul
02.28.2012 , 11:35 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
Cleanse is on a 15 second cool down. Congrats you cleansed one guy while 5 other people are dotted up including the one you just cleansed and your ability is still on cooldown. Now what? Face it, many dots are instant casts and some are aoe. It was a stupid tactic and this change is a good thing.
You forgot the debuff on your raid frame, they are so small you barely see them. Even without CD on cleanse and the debuff being visible, the dots spamming would still be overpowered. If someone take a spec to spam it just to protect the door or the towers then that mean they know it's totaly OP.

Imagine if they didn't change it before the rated warzone. It would have been impossible to plant the bomb in voidstar again any decent team. The majority of the games would have finished 0-0 in voidstar. Sound fun....

I still think 8 sec to plant is too long, we will see that when they rated warzone will come out. I might be worng on this one though.

Edit: sorry for my enlgish
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Grimmspat
02.28.2012 , 11:36 PM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
I'm saying that on paper it's a big deal but in practice it's not. You seem more concerned that your class specifically can't counter this setup, even though 3 out of 8 classes can. In Voidstar you're also talking about having 3-5 people together on one door, and it's unlikely the entire group got hit by DoTs AND cannot remove the DoTs, and it's not an issue, at all, in Huttball.

The only place this is an issue, at all, is on the side-turrets on Alderaan, when you've got 2 people and were prevented from capping by one person.
No, I don't care if I cannot cleanse all DoTs. I understand why I can't - it would allow me to mitigate more damage than intended by removing any dps DoT. However, if DoTs are allowed to prevent capping, it does bother me that some guy that has a grenade can keep 5 people from capping a node for 12 seconds. Plus, you don't have to be Cybertech to use and buy the blue versions. I know. I have some.

I have a spammable DoT. I can buy grenades with an AoE DoT on them. However, I think the mechanic doesn't work especially in light of the way 2 out of the 3 warzones were designed.

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Apocalypse-
02.28.2012 , 11:36 PM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
LoS isn't hard either bro.
So you expect it to be a 1v1 while the other person avoids being in LoS, taking at least 20 seconds on it's own anyways, and then once the fight is over you're going to have a 3-5 second run to the node regardless?

It's not strategy, possibly passes as strategery, as it was just abusing a broken mechanic, and it was never good design.
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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 11:37 PM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
You forgot the debuff on your raid frame, they are so small you barely see them. Even without CD on cleanse and the debuff being visible, the dots spamming would still be overpowered. If someone take a spec to spam it just to protect the door or the towers then that mean they know it's totaly OP.

Imagine if they didn't change it before the rated warzone. It would have been impossible to plant the bomb in voidstar again any decent team. The majority of the games would have finished 0-0 in voidstar. Sound fun....
No, good teams stealth cap Voidstar. Good teams in Rateds won't have a healer from strictly one class, meaning all DoTs will be able to be cleansed by one person. As for small debuffs...step 1, make your frames bigger, recommended for healers in general option 2: have your team call out for cleanses

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HelinCarnate
02.28.2012 , 11:38 PM | #325
So you can no longer continue to defend a door or turret after you have been killed. WAI. As long as the first tick still will cause an inturrupt then it should be fine.
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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 11:39 PM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Apocalypse- View Post
So you expect it to be a 1v1 while the other person avoids being in LoS, taking at least 20 seconds on it's own anyways, and then once the fight is over you're going to have a 3-5 second run to the node regardless?

It's not strategy, possibly passes as strategery, as it was just abusing a broken mechanic, and it was never good design.
I edited my post. Read the rest, especially about the QQ

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Guzul
02.28.2012 , 11:41 PM | #327
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
No, good teams stealth cap Voidstar. Good teams in Rateds won't have a healer from strictly one class, meaning all DoTs will be able to be cleansed by one person. As for small debuffs...step 1, make your frames bigger, recommended for healers in general option 2: have your team call out for cleanses
Is it cleanse 8 sec CD? It will take you 40 sec to dispel 5 teamates and 8 sec redispel the dots you just remove...

Stealth... is that a joke? Only pug fail to that strat.
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Apocalypse-
02.28.2012 , 11:41 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
I edited my post. Read the rest, especially about the QQ
Rofl, ok. I already win well over 3/4 of the warzones I play in. I'm just not shortsighted enough to believe something that is currently a minor issue with few people abusing it isn't going to be heavily abused in rated warzones. We get that you're getting nerfed. What you don't get is it needed to happen.
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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 11:44 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Guzul View Post
Is it cleanse 8 sec CD? It will take you 40 sec to dispel 5 teamates and 8 sec redispel the dots you just remove...

Stealth... is it a joke? Only pug fail to that strat.
Why do you need to cleanse multiple people to cap a door? You don't, only takes 1. How are people getting DoT'd again if you wait til whoever casting the DoT is dead?

About stealth...it works because it's harder to cap a door that is getting zerged and AoE spammed than it is to cap a door with no one noticing you (or getting 1v1ed)

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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 11:46 PM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by Apocalypse- View Post
Rofl, ok. I already win well over 3/4 of the warzones I play in. I'm just not shortsighted enough to believe something that is currently a minor issue with few people abusing it isn't going to be heavily abused in rated warzones. We get that you're getting nerfed. What you don't get is it needed to happen.
Gratz, you can spout a win ratio. So can I. Doesn't mean the people you run with don't QQ. You know what, while we're at it, lets make AoE's not keep people from capping, some of those are spammable too.