Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Dots no longer helpful in defense???????

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Grimmspat

02.28.2012 , 11:10 PM \| #301	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan No, it's not. Even if you can't cleanse everything, why is your DPS letting them just sit and spam DoTs? If there's you and 1 or 2 dps, it's a nonissue. So you are saying if a guy gets off one attack, ONE, that does an 18 second dot that cannot be cleansed by a full spec'd sage healer, it's alright if that prevents a cap? The defender can die in seconds but if he manages to get off one long-lasting dot of a damage type I cannot cleanse, it doesn't matter how many you bring. He can speeder back and do it again especially if this is an AoE dot. I don't think many of you understand that even as a sage healer I can't cleanse all dot types.

nschlan

02.28.2012 , 11:11 PM \| #302	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Apocalypse- Our best dot is SIX seconds long. If everyone was restricted to six second dots, this wouldn't be an issue. It's the TWENTY ONE second dots that are the problem. 21 seconds is longer than the time it takes to die and take a speeder back to left/right, six seconds isn't even long enough to get back onto the speeder, no less off of it. 6 seconds is enough. If your team is 14 seconds away, they need 8 seconds to cap, you DoT them for 6 or more (depending on how many stacks you get up) day = saved. It's not ideal but it's sure as hell better than nothing. I really think people cry too much. I have yet to run into anyone outside this thread who thinks it's a problem.

savionen

02.28.2012 , 11:12 PM \| #303	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimmspat So you are saying if a guy gets off one attack, ONE, that does an 18 second dot that cannot be cleansed by a full spec'd sage healer, it's alright if that prevents a cap? The defender can die in seconds but if he manages to get off one long-lasting dot of a damage type I cannot cleanse, it doesn't matter how many you bring. He can speeder back and do it again especially if this is an AoE dot. I don't think many of you understand that even as a sage healer I can't cleanse all dot types. Once again, there's only ONE AoE dot in the game, and you have to spec into it, and it's the least played class/spec.

nschlan

02.28.2012 , 11:12 PM \| #304	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimmspat So you are saying if a guy gets off one attack, ONE, that does an 18 second dot that cannot be cleansed by a full spec'd sage healer, it's alright if that prevents a cap? The defender can die in seconds but if he manages to get off one long-lasting dot of a damage type I cannot cleanse, it doesn't matter how many you bring. He can speeder back and do it again especially if this is an AoE dot. I don't think many of you understand that even as a sage healer I can't cleanse all dot types. Um if he gets off 1 DoT and, like I said, you have multiple people around, have one of the guys he DIDN'T DOT go cap...not hard bro. AoEs can be avoided (once again) by actually knowing what good positioning is. Besides, the ONE AoE DoT comes from the least played AC and even then has to be specced into

Grimmspat

02.28.2012 , 11:18 PM \| #305	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen Once again, there's only ONE AoE dot in the game, and you have to spec into it, and it's the least played class/spec. I still see it. There are other single-target, long-lasting dots I cannot cleanse as a sage. Plus, there is more than one aoe dot in the game. There is a grenade that provides an aoe dot I cannot cleanse. It's not just class abilities.

Raansu

02.28.2012 , 11:18 PM \| #306	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan Again, cleanse. Say it with me, cleanse. All you have to do is cleanse the single target DoT. AoEs can be avoided easily, just don't stand in 1 giant cluster, you know, put melee in melee range and range at...range. Sorry if you don't know the classes but it IS possible. Also, no one said they NEEDED it, we just think it was fine the way it was and that removing it makes it a lot easier to cap objectives. Cleanse does literally the same thing this patch does. Cleanse is on a 15 second cool down. Congrats you cleansed one guy while 5 other people are dotted up including the one you just cleansed and your ability is still on cooldown. Now what? Face it, many dots are instant casts and some are aoe. It was a stupid tactic and this change is a good thing.
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savionen

02.28.2012 , 11:20 PM \| #307	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimmspat I still see it. There are other single-target, long-lasting dots I cannot cleanse as a sage. Plus, there is a grenade that provides an aoe dot I cannot cleanse. It's not just class abilities. There's a grenade, on a 5 minute cooldown, that has a 12 second fire DoT. I rarely see Cybertech, either. Mercenaries, Operatives and Assassins all have a way of removing Tech DoTs. Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu Cleanse is on a 15 second cool down. Congrats you cleansed one guy while 5 other people are dotted up including the one you just cleansed and your ability is still on cooldown. Now what? Face it, many dots are instant casts and some are aoe. It was a stupid tactic and this change is a good thing. The Sorc/Sage, Merc/Commando and Operative/Scoundrel versions all have a 4.5sec cooldown... and they remove 2 dots. And Assassins/Operatives can remove all DoTs on a 1 minute cooldown.

Greyfeld

02.28.2012 , 11:21 PM \| #308	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu Cleanse is on a 15 second cool down. Congrats you cleansed one guy while 5 other people are dotted up including the one you just cleansed and your ability is still on cooldown. Now what? Face it, many dots are instant casts and some are aoe. It was a stupid tactic and this change is a good thing. You're absolutely right. How could I forget that turrets require 5 people to cap. It's not like 1 person capping while the other 4 defend him and CC any attackers is a better strategy.
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nschlan

02.28.2012 , 11:22 PM \| #309	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu Cleanse is on a 15 second cool down. Congrats you cleansed one guy while 5 other people are dotted up including the one you just cleansed and your ability is still on cooldown. Now what? Face it, many dots are instant casts and some are aoe. It was a stupid tactic and this change is a good thing. ONE is AoE and, for the 1000th time, people who know the first thing about positioning rarely get hit by AoEs. How are 5 people DoTed up if there's only 1 person there? No class has that capability. Also, why aren't you saving your cleanse for when the guy with the DoTs is DEAD?

longgrassgrows

02.28.2012 , 11:23 PM \| #310	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan You're a Sentinel, you can do it to them so it balances out. that is a pathetic argument and you know it
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