The thought that WoW has more endgame content

I don't understand why people are comparing TOR at launch to WoW in it's current state. If you compare to two at launch, TOR comes out on top, no contest.

haha u make me giggle stopped reading at false..

ur blind or you didnt play wow...

i dont even like wow...but it dominates swtor...

Nobody makes that irrational comparison

T3 - Dual Warglaives... 1 SSC, 1 MH, 1 BT. No tokens, No LFR, No easy mode. Those days were the shiz.

False... U probably never played wow, or played post nerf content on normal mode.

1 - Go back in time and kill Ragnaros Heroic Pre nerf, then go tell Paragon that kill Heroic Ragnaros was easy.
2 - Make a pug and try to down Heroic Lich King today, and now imagine how it was back on WotLK without nerfs.
3 - Go go kill Sinestra.
4 - Then u come back here with screen shots and maybe i listen to that.

While I appreciate what you are trying to say I don't agree that Ulduar HM was easy by any stretch of the imagination and neither was Anub Whatisface on HM in TOC. If you got 'Firefighter' pre nerf then I take my hat off to you as a skilled player, otherwise I think you might want to zip it because the most difficult thing about TBC was attuning players and getting people the right gear, the fights weren't that hard mechanics wise so i think you have it wrong.

FWIW - I didn't do Firefighter pre nerf, too difficult for me.

I can't comment on SWTOR ops yet as I am now a hugely casual player levelling multiple characters and enjoying the story, this is the game that alowed me to chill and enjoy the game for what it is, 3 raiding days a week is something I now can easily do without.

You may have a point. Too bad most of WoW's content is irrelevant. The only parts of it that mean anything are the few heroic dungeons that everyone runs, the 1 main raid, and the battlegrounds. The rest of it is irrelevant.

Oh, and they've had 7 years to bring all that content. If you expect the same from every MMO that comes down the pike at the beginning, you are clearly delusional.

Besides, shouldn't you be complaining about the game engine somewhere?

Thought #5; Who cares.

If you like SW:ToR, then play it. If you like WoW better, then play it.

This is like trying to argue that Fruity Pebbles are better than Lucky Charms. It doesn't matter. Shutup and play the game you like.

I compare them in their current state and the mere fact that I play TOR now makes it the clear winner for me.

In terms of the 'amount' of content argument how many are running even the previous raids/dungeons weekly. I would love to see how long it takes to get an on level group for Karazhan or Ahn'Qhirij. Those are the real numbers and stats people should be clamoring for. Adding a faction for each planet/zone for rep grinding is just death by a thousand cuts to keep the subscription active. We already have a codex, I go from planet to planet trying to fill each one out.

1) Considering the raids in SWTOR are laughable... No... And when I say laughable... I mean literally... People are literally 4 or 5 manning hard mode bosses (youtube is your friend). My guild isn't even "hardcore" and we 4 manned the entire 8 man eternity vault with a Vanguard Tank, 2 Commando DPS, and a Sage Healer...

Like literally my first night of raiding in this game... We were going to do 16 player normal... We had 11 people in our group because people didn't show up... We didn't want to make anyone sit so just said fudge it and went on... We killed everything, but Soa... And the only reason we didn't kill him is because the fight was broken back then... Our first night. All undergeared... No strategy videos... No strategies of any kind... And a big one, without addons (since they dont exist lol)...

Try doing that in WoW... People literally pug nightmare modes on my server... Most full fledged raiding guilds haven't even cleared all of normal mode DS yet on WoW... Let alone hard modes which are SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult comparatively speaking...

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2) And endgame content is non-existant here... I leveled pretty slow in this game, taking my time so the fan boys didn't accuse me of rushing through it... I didn't reach level 50 until the second week of January (having started leveling on the 13th of December)... By the beginning of February I had cleared everything... All flashpoint hard modes... All nightmare raid bosses... I had full Rakata implants and earpiece from dailies... And I didn't rush those either... I did one flashpoint a day for the daily... I raided 2 nights a week on Tue/Thu from 8-11... And all of this was while PVPing also and I am rank 55 Valor (never used the valor exploit)...