WOW really made me appreciate SWTOR

I have to say that it's the other way around for me. SWTOR had a great 'new car smell' to it but it's starting to drag more and more. My friends play less and less and it's almost as if, why bother? I don't doubt it can mature into a nice game but it has a ways to go.

I know some people say they don't get the laggy/choppy/delay stuff but it's there. Saw a vid the other day of someone posting they had perfect FPS. While it was good, it was still a far cry from WOW. WOW is just more responsive and more fluid - hands down.

With that said, if I had friends on nightly and we could mission together regularly, I'd be all in. It just isn't the case. Maybe they'll come back after a few months? So props for the things they got right but there's still much to be done.

Can you show me actual dps numbers of all the classes being close to each other?

Do they matter? The benefit of not knowing is allowing players to reach their own satisfaction instead of being "geargored" to death.

DPS numbers don't matter if a) the party is having fun and b) the objectives are being completed.

From my perspective, I've been killed by pretty much every class in the game. To me, that says "balance ain't bad" a lot more than parsing 3 more DPS on a dummy would.

By the time Rift had 3 months, half of the things community asked for had been delivered, we had a dungeon finder, greater means of customization than SWTOR(and no, orange gear is not an option until they make it work with endgame gear), bugs in raids had been fixed and the best of all, we still weren't wearing the best gear in the game. Endgame lasted until the next tier/raid was delivered. Trion does this job very well. Rift's only problem is playing too safe for their own good, whereas SWTOR has way more serious issues than I have fingers in my hands.

Of course he can't due to SWTOR being completely void of transparency. Sadly.

It matters when apparently there is balance in the game. I would not be surprised the reason there is no combat log is because there will be more work for Bioware to do in order to balance the game over the whiners pointing out how their class sucks because the numbers say so.

I kinda disagree with you on a few points.

1. If you are annoyed and frustrated with leveling you may not stick it out to enjoy the "oh so sweet" end game.
2. The fact that getting PvP gear is so easy means everyone will be fighting on the same level. You shouldn't be PvPing for gear but getting gear to be able to PvP better.
   The fact that you have good PvP gear means NOW is the time to really get into PvP not stop. If you want true competitive PvP then people must have equivalent gear. If you out-gear the others or are under-geared it's no longer a competition but a faceroll.
3. World of Warcraft has the same type of end game as SW:TOR. So if the endgame is dull here it's dull there also.

Sorry -- I meant to quote the other Jawa, not you.

Essentially, I agree. There are PvE imbalances in the game, but they're harder to spot.

Edit: Dammit, now there's three of you on this page and you all look the same. Very confusing.

I played wow for a couple years, and to say its terrible is silly. To play a game for that duration doesnt make it terrible. you just get bored at the end of it. WoW is very boring to me now as i have burnt out of it.

But the question is, what made you play WoW for that long? something kept you hooked, i dont feel that for this game currently, apart from the great leveling experience.

WoW offered a competitive progression, with PvP it was arena ratings for gear which made you come back every week. Raids had theory craft, squeezing out your damage/capabilities so your team and take on the next boss. (i didnt enjoy raids at all but i can see why people did).

Saying this, WoW is dated, the combat is boring and everything streamlined or changed in ways that make gameplay a snorefest (after TBC).

SWTOR has great leveling experience, but its endgame is very unpolish in its current state. small things like UI, quickslots, player targeting, balancing, mods.

I am very disapointed that the flashpoints after the first one, are just long cooridoors filled with mobs, rather than having some story weaved into it.

First, I'm happy for you, glad you are staying and enjoying the game. I'm staying because I'm still enjoying it as well, at least for the time being.

I 'loved' this part, just because it made me feel 'really' old. You go back to like DAoC, and you had quests, though generally not a lot. Seemed like there were maybe 3-4 'quests' you could do each level and 'maybe' they gave you half a level, then you had to go out and find a 'grind spot' to move on. There were no '!' over people's heads, you just had to click on people.

Go back to EQ, and there were 'barely' any things to do that you could even call quests, at least that was my memory of it. I 'think' there were some rudimentary guides to help you find those gems. Crafting wasn't terribly rewarding (though by the time we got to DAoC, crafting started to get pretty fun and rewarding).

Sorry, just a little nostalgia for me. Hearing that it's hard to find quests and wonder where to go next, even through all the years of revamping, not even going back to November of 2004, just made me feel old.