This game lacks epeen

Wow man. I have never read such an amazing (and accurate) eulogy to hardcore players. I totally agree 100% - I mean I had full Columi in a week...compare that to Vanilla WoW where Full T1/T2 took many months,AND you needed the gear to beat the higher level Raids (and in many cases, bosses from the same dungeon you were in !)

Can't even add anything to this post it is just so perfectly put and true

So you are saying that 10% of gamers playing the game will carry the other 90%?

Its less than 10 % actually. Community drives MMOs - Hardcore players create the communities.

edit: If you are a casual player, what are you going to do once you are fully raid/pvp geared ? Because even casuals can do that in a week or two here....

I have been playing almost 2 months and just got my first 50. Most casuals will not hit 50 in a week.

I think the main problem with this thread is the title. It is set to bring flames from the beginning.

As a casual person I will agree that the game needs more end-game things to do.

I agree with all that op said. It's just like with movies, movie created only for masses (casuals) is just a bland, boring, packed with CGI and predictable creation (Transformers 3 is perfect example). You watch such movie and forget about it in a day. They are created to make as much money as possible so they lower PG to 13, making everything as easy to understand so you average dumb teenager can understand it. But do you actually get something out of it other than 2 hours of mindless rather low quality fun? Do you remember watching Blade Runner or a Space Odyssey, if you did it would be stuck in your head to this day, that is quality creation that never gets old. Those are the movies that will give everyone that feeling of satisfaction for watching something more than just a bland pile of doo doo.

I realize those days are gone now, there will be no more beatiful and intelligent creations unless it's something low budget and not mainstream, make it be movies, music or games. Such a sad days we live in.

Isn't SW:TOR as easy as WoW Cata is now? I mean i haven't raided in WoW recently but it seems like a loot fest, and i can't help but feel like bioware went with this same format.

This x1000000000000000000000

And how does this so called "epeen factor" affect your game?

Are they getting right up in your face and demanding you look at their super rare mount or spamming chat with "look how cool am i am!!"? Most likely not, and if they are you can easily ignore them.

Does giving them a super rare mount to go for take away any part of the game you enjoy? No, it doesnt.

So what nobody can ever tell me is exactly why giving hardcores something to go for ruins your game. The reason they can't is because it DOESN'T.

I don't understand how demanding that they don't get what they want, while you get what you want is in any way fair.

This is a Bioware game.

Bioware makes story driven games and have never made a difficult one, because if the game is too hard players won't be able to complete the story.

You can't have a faceroll-easy leveling experience & suddenly ramp up the difficulty at endgame. The playerbase would revolt.

Your insight into hardcore players feels spot-on, but unfortunately the Burning Crusade progression model is long dead.

There are several reasons for this, but the biggest one is that MMOs now exist in an environment where they're competing with Farmville, Angry Birds, and XBOX Live for share of wallet, mindshare, and player time.

After wow I'm all up for a "no epeen" factor. I got sick of working hard to be unique, to try to get that old leggy item, or that imba mount that rarely anyone has, I got sick of seeing those few Scarab Lords who think they're so special. They're not. No one is special. There should be no epeen in any mmo, there should only be a very good big character creator/editor mode so we could not only make a unique character, but also dress it unique. But base items/mounts/titles etc should be available to anyone. Maximum with some reasonable grind (not a month or so, a week-two tops).