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Is SWTOR dying?


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LordNimvaruss
02.27.2012 , 10:45 PM | #471
Just posting to keep it at the top. The game has great potential just have to do it.
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lytlbyt
02.27.2012 , 10:52 PM | #472
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
And your type is the loudest one screaming "the game is fine, everything's perfect because I say so!" as people unsub. People like you said the same things in Rift, WAR and Aion, and look how that turned out.
If you can, please find where I am screaming that. Go ahead, I will wait.

Nowhere did I say in this thread that it didn't have issues BW needs to address. I simply said I have an entirely different perspective and I play for fun first. My fun is far different than yours obviously. From my play style, the game is great so far. I love it. They have many things to address, but they will do just that.

My statement you quoted btw, was me actually trying to help YOUR point with the guy that I quoted. Bottom line is that impatience is the market right now in this genre. Too many people that shortcut through and want to just get to the "end game" first and then runout of content and complain. That is the market. Mi happen to believe that "deep" MMOs are now entirely not possible due to the current gamers and their impatient demands. The masses in gamers now want immediate satisfaction and no room for error. Again, that is a fact too. This game has had a far better launch than most of the new, hot MMOs that have come out recently. Yes, I played those too.

I am agreeing with you that BW should act quickly because I want this game to continue with a community. I just don't agree at all with you on the reasons WHY it should happen other than to keep the players. This game is not NEAR as bad as the extreme, impatient loud complainers make it to be.

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lytlbyt
02.27.2012 , 10:53 PM | #473
Quote: Originally Posted by LordNimvaruss View Post
God bless you brother. I understand we have diffenerent opions and ill respect that.
Havnt got a chance to go over yet still new to the USMC but my time will come.

Again God bless you man and thank you.


I salute you both. Thanks for your service!

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Lumocolor
02.27.2012 , 10:58 PM | #474
I have just spent about 3 hours reading 48 pages of this thread instead of logging in and playing TOR.

If you need more proof than that that the game is losing people then i dont know what to tell you...lol

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dschlan
02.27.2012 , 10:58 PM | #475
Quote: Originally Posted by lytlbyt View Post
If you can, please find where I am screaming that. Go ahead, I will wait.

Nowhere did I say in this thread that it didn't have issues BW needs to address. I simply said I have an entirely different perspective and I play for fun first. My fun is far different than yours obviously. From my play style, the game is great so far. I love it. They have many things to address, but they will do just that.

My statement you quoted btw, was me actually trying to help YOUR point with the guy that I quoted. Bottom line is that impatience is the market right now in this genre. Too many people that shortcut through and want to just get to the "end game" first and then runout of content and complain. That is the market. Mi happen to believe that "deep" MMOs are now entirely not possible due to the current gamers and their impatient demands. The masses in gamers now want immediate satisfaction and no room for error. Again, that is a fact too. This game has had a far better launch than most of the new, hot MMOs that have come out recently. Yes, I played those too.

I am agreeing with you that BW should act quickly because I want this game to continue with a community. I just don't agree at all with you on the reasons WHY it should happen other than to keep the players. This game is not NEAR as bad as the extreme, impatient loud complainers make it to be.
I said it before and i'll say it again: In the WoW style MMO there is NOTHING before end game. Leveling is a grind. Story? It's a joke. It's 30 minutes of grind for a 2 minute cutscene that just sends you out to grind more. We've been patient. People waited 6 years for this game. A certain level of quality is expected and BW didn't deliver. People were promised a "revolutionary MMO", they got WoW with glow sticks. With the AAA MMO competition this year the subs will only continue to drop.

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maradigamer
02.27.2012 , 11:01 PM | #476
I don't think this game is dying or will die anytime soon. I do think it's an unusually competitive year for MMOs with GW2 and TSW releasing in a few months, then Archeage if it makes it out by the end of the year. Three games that step away from the norm in many ways and two with voice acting, although from what I've seen of GW2's voice acting, it isn't up to SWTOR standards. But the game has other features that SWTOR lacks, so yeah, it will probably pull some people away.

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longgrassgrows
02.27.2012 , 11:01 PM | #477
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
If the game is so perfect why aren't you playing? None of us wanted the game to fail, we're just saying that it turned out to be an overhyped WoW clone piece of crap.
First of all, i am still playing, happily i might add
Second of all, when did i say that the game was perfect, i would be the first to admit that that game has some problems, some more serious than others. However, i also think that they are manageable and will be fixed if i have the patience...which i do
Third of all, i meant why are you wasting your time and mine arguing about whether or not a game sucks...dont play it, move on...why would you still be on the SWTOR website is you no longer play the game...leave the forums to the individuals actually playing the game so we can provide the developers with good, honest criticism and realistic ways to improve the game

In other words...just leave, what else is keeping you here
My beats your

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Conveit
02.27.2012 , 11:07 PM | #478
The fps issue should have been fixed already the fact that it hasn't is a clear sign that they don't care. They try gimmicky ways to make it seem like they are working on it but they are failing. My main issue is the fact that I have a better then average computer I can play every other game on high setting and they all run smoothly, but this game I have to run everything on low if I wanna play in Ilum, Wz, or go into a cave.

Sorry but the fact that they used a bad engine shows that it was flawed from the start. I really don't see how this problem made it past the alpha stage of testing seriously. Also, the fact that it isn't fixed yet make me wonder if they ever are going to fix it.

The fps issue is really the only main complaint I have I would much rather play this MMO then WoW or any other one. I love the lore, I love playing with a lightsaber, what I don't like it the fact that I can go from 60 fps to 2 fps by just going into a cave, or because I'm fighting in a WZ.

Fix the FPS ISSUE and this game would be worth it

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lytlbyt
02.27.2012 , 11:10 PM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
I said it before and i'll say it again: In the WoW style MMO there is NOTHING before end game. Leveling is a grind. Story? It's a joke. It's 30 minutes of grind for a 2 minute cutscene that just sends you out to grind more. We've been patient. People waited 6 years for this game. A certain level of quality is expected and BW didn't deliver. People were promised a "revolutionary MMO", they got WoW with glow sticks. With the AAA MMO competition this year the subs will only continue to drop.
That's where we differ.

I don't think it's a grind at all. Not at all like all the other recent MMOs. This one has story and I feel like I am playing a story, not grinding. It's all about perspective. I recognize yours. I use to be that way. You are entitled entirely to yours. Unfortunately, for the MMO genre, it's the prevalent one. It will also be the downfall of all new MMOs as well. There will never be another "big dog" MMO unless an entire new quest style is given that is highly customizable, and something in gameplay replaces the "I just want my purples" in the pvp. Something like DAOC did with RvR. That community turned the pvp into a competition instead of just gear drive. Unfortunately the magic users dominated everything and it was hugely imbalances. But was really good for a while. Just a HUGE grindfest in PVE.

Just look at all the recent MMOs and all the same complaints for them all. The gamers want immediate satisfaction, but really.......something entirely new to keep their interest.

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dschlan
02.27.2012 , 11:13 PM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by lytlbyt View Post
That's where we differ.

I don't think it's a grind at all. Not at all like all the other recent MMOs. This one has story and I feel like I am playing a story, not grinding. It's all about perspective. I recognize yours. I use to be that way. You are entitled entirely to yours. Unfortunately, for the MMO genre, it's the prevalent one. It will also be the downfall of all new MMOs as well. There will never be another "big dog" MMO unless an entire new quest style is given that is highly customizable, and something in gameplay replaces the "I just want my purples" in the pvp. Something like DAOC did with RvR. That community turned the pvp into a competition instead of just gear drive. Unfortunately the magic users dominated everything and it was hugely imbalances. But was really good for a while. Just a HUGE grindfest in PVE.

Just look at all the recent MMOs and all the same complaints for them all. The gamers want immediate satisfaction, but really.......something entirely new to keep their interest.
All that stuff that you said an MMO should have can be found here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Main_Page