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Is SWTOR dying?


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lytlbyt
02.27.2012 , 08:46 PM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
If you like grinding 200 quests over and over just to get 2 minute cutscenes, that's your deal. It's a basic rule of WoW Clone MMOs that if the end game is bad, the game tanks. Sorry if you don't feel that way but it's basic MMO principle. There's nothing "elitist" about it. You should look that term up. People rush to end game because in the WoW archetype it's the most fun part of the game. Again, you're in the MINORITY. 2.5 months is an extremely long time leveling for all but the most casual of players.
Trust me, I have probably been playing MMOs/MUDs longer than most people you know. I am just sharing with you another perspective than took me many years to get to. I learned that I got bored if I actually rushed to the end. Actually makes sense when you think about it. I love a lot of things with this game. I recognize the issues and havent yet met any that I can't overlook with how I am playing the game. That's it, that's all. BW does need to address the PvP concerns though to keep that large player base. Plus, it seems they need to address some end-game instance stuff too. I am just saying that at a launch, yes, actually that "end game" is the small part. In a year, yeah better be a lot more end game content.

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dschlan
02.27.2012 , 08:55 PM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by lytlbyt View Post
Trust me, I have probably been playing MMOs/MUDs longer than most people you know. I am just sharing with you another perspective than took me many years to get to. I learned that I got bored if I actually rushed to the end. Actually makes sense when you think about it. I love a lot of things with this game. I recognize the issues and havent yet met any that I can't overlook with how I am playing the game. That's it, that's all. BW does need to address the PvP concerns though to keep that large player base. Plus, it seems they need to address some end-game instance stuff too. I am just saying that at a launch, yes, actually that "end game" is the small part. In a year, yeah better be a lot more end game content.
And I'm saying that it really doesn't matter, you're in the minority. It's cool that you like leveling and all but that doesn't make it a quality game. Not even close.

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LordNimvaruss
02.27.2012 , 08:59 PM | #413
http://youtu.be/QM5dVXFPHnc

You bring something like this into this game and id bet anything this game wouldnt tank but endgame content as is oh yah no reason to play at all.
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lytlbyt
02.27.2012 , 09:03 PM | #414
Quote: Originally Posted by LordNimvaruss View Post
http://youtu.be/QM5dVXFPHnc

You bring something like this into this game and id bet anything this game wouldnt tank but endgame content as is oh yah no reason to play at all.


Agreed

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Tenzoo
02.27.2012 , 09:04 PM | #415
Quote: Originally Posted by LordNimvaruss View Post
http://youtu.be/QM5dVXFPHnc

You bring something like this into this game and id bet anything this game wouldnt tank but endgame content as is oh yah no reason to play at all.
DAOC PvP is the epitome of MMO pvp.. and no game has yet to be able to clone it or ever get close.

So sad considering how simple their system is... but in modern games its all about "reward-for-anything-you-do" where as in DAOC the only reward was RP which didn't mean much after a certain level.

However, in DAOC people knew who were the pros, and fighting was about bragging rights more than any loot, rank, or commendation.

Back on topic, SWTOR is sadly coming to its demise. Great game for the first month and a half, but BW/EA rushed the finished product and it shows.

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dschlan
02.27.2012 , 09:05 PM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenzoo View Post
DAOC PvP is the epitome of MMO pvp.. and no game has yet to be able to clone it or ever get close.

So sad considering how simple their system is... but in modern games its all about "reward-for-anything-you-do" where as in DAOC the only reward was RP which didn't mean much after a certain level.

However, in DAOC people knew who were the pros, and fighting was about bragging rights more than any loot, rank, or commendation.
http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-fergu...world-vs-world

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fixit
02.27.2012 , 09:06 PM | #417
If you started pre-release and still don't have a 50 even if casual, I don't know what say. I know people who only play maybe 6-8 hours a week who have lvl 50s. Do you log on for 15 mins and do half a quest or something?

Any rate, I have a long attention span generally when it comes to games; all that matters is if the game is engaging enough to keep me occupied. WoW did it for 7+ years. Rift did it for 7 months. Just to name a few out of the dozens I have played over the past 20 years.

Lets get to the point. Ilum is fail, possibly worst open world PvP 'lake' I seen. Not only does it lag, it's all about kill trading to get a daily/weekly done; there is absolutely nothing competive or interesting about it. What if there was resource nodes in it or even faction wide buffs depending on control? If there was such things, Ilum would actually serve a purpose and thus people would go there outside of quests. No can't have that. W/e. not like this engine/server structure can even support mass PvP at all. Mmmm slide show PvP, so much fun.

So in the end all you have for PvP is 3 WZs which is actually only one since it's 90% Huttball for me. It's also limited to 8 v 8, which yet again proves that by design this is the cap for performance: go past that and it starts to chug, even on the best of systems. Yes, we have a MMO that is only capable of having console type match numbers. Where did that 200m actually go? I think they got majorly ripped off, imo. Anyways, we will never see AV type venue, it would be unplayable. Proof? Ilum.

W/e, I agree: play a lot like me and most would get bored. But in other MMOs, I played just as much infact maybe more and kept me going for years. Here? 2 months. Cool!

Anyways, I made mistake in a) buying CE b) buying 4 time cards; you are stuck with me on the forums for almost a year even if I will be playing other titles. Have to get my moneys worth somehow, right? Don't get it in game, that's for sure.

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LordNimvaruss
02.27.2012 , 09:07 PM | #418
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenzoo View Post
DAOC PvP is the epitome of MMO pvp.. and no game has yet to be able to clone it or ever get close.

So sad considering how simple their system is... but in modern games its all about "reward-for-anything-you-do" where as in DAOC the only reward was RP which didn't mean much after a certain level.

However, in DAOC people knew who were the pros, and fighting was about bragging rights more than any loot, rank, or commendation.
Amen bro hell on the herald they post the top RP holders for your sever the top guild who earned the most RPs that week **** like that i mean come on thats all you needed and dont even get me started on storming keeps.

As it stands DAoC had more meaningful endgame content when it first released back when i was yay high than this game does now and its sad cuz i heard a rumor that several people from Mythic helped make this game but didnt think at all to use some of those ideas. Maybe it really was just a rumor.
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LordNimvaruss
02.27.2012 , 09:14 PM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by dschlan View Post
Def going to have to give this game a try. Ive love Star Wars my entire life. I remember sitting on the counch watching it with my dad so i was really hoping to stick with this game but as it stands i just have no reason to play i mean come on do people really love grinding for bags that may but most likely will not have a peice of gear in them??
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dschlan
02.27.2012 , 09:17 PM | #420
Quote: Originally Posted by LordNimvaruss View Post
Def going to have to give this game a try. Ive love Star Wars my entire life. I remember sitting on the counch watching it with my dad so i was really hoping to stick with this game but as it stands i just have no reason to play i mean come on do people really love grinding for bags that may but most likely will not have a peice of gear in them??
Exactly. MMOs should not be like that.