Is SWTOR dying?

This article is spot on.

People are dropping outta my guild like flies..

PVP needs a ton of work.. .

Resolve is a joke..

the Ilum "fix" Was horrible.

1.2 better have some awesome stuff.

it's nothing like it was, and it's gone free to play now. in the old days there was the same drive as in vanilla WoW.

plus it was built for older computers and the graphics fade out due to new technology.

it's alot like the evolution of WoW. from vanilla to now, in the begining it was work to get loot and once you got that loot you were a god, now everything is just given away.

the reason why people talk about EQ as the "holy grail" is because EQ was the MMO that started the trend, it is the most notable of the early three.

i used to work with a guy that was the manager for a branch or GM's in WoW and he told me that that is what blizzard does they take games that are out and make them better. they took every idea from EQ (non lore related) and worked it to a better angle. and then the carbares started crying because a group of 5 full tier 2 could roll 15-20 non end game raiaders. the same thing happend in SWG.

SWToR is like a book, you read it once, then its quite nice. (Main character)

Then someone puts in 3-4 more pages. Those new pages are nice, but you have already read the rest of the book, but you have to read through the whole book to get to the 4th new page. When you have played it through, they add another 3-4 pages, and you have to read through the same book again, and again, only for a small amount of new text each read through (Playing an alt)


This game would have to be remade from the core to be more fun, theres TO much focus on the voiceovers, they completly forgot about gameplay, something to work for, some meaning to logg on every day.


one of the reasons i didnt like wow was becouse it was so damn easy to level, i got to max level in the free period and just sat there. It was so easy compared to the previous mmos, whereas in DaoC it took me almost a year to get to 50, in wow it took 1 month. Leveling has become so trivialized. As long as there is fun stuff to do, instances etc WHILE your leveling up, i dont care if it takes 1 year, actually i prefer it.

EQ actually still has a pretty strong playerbase. Most of the people referring to how hardcore and great EQ was, are referring to the old days of EQ. Having to grind everything, training people, Zek rules PvP (the only rule of Zek PvP was there are no rules), camping a spawn for 2 weeks at a time without seeing a single spawn, etc. Since then the game has been fit to cater to a bit more of a carebear style compared to the old days.

Long story short, people who talk about how much they loved EQ, aren't playing it anymore because it's simply not anywhere near the same game. That along with the fond memories of playing a game that was absolutely revolutionary for its time, and that feeling always fades.

You obviously didn't play WoW at launch... it had about 1/3 the content as SWTOR and just about as many bugs/issues... yes max level took longer... but the average ADD kiddo these days can't stand to level for more than a week or two before they burn out on the game... face it, MMOs have changed since WoWs release. As much as we'd all love to see a return to EQ1 or vanilla WoW style MMOs it can't and won't ever happen...

Actually WoW had more content that werent instances, it also took longer time to complete all of it, which kinda says how little content SWToR have.

I think you're a victim of rose colored glasses. I played WoW at launch, I have great memories of vanilla WoW... but this game has about 10x the content WoW did at launch. There may be a little less social stuff to do, but theres a ton more quests, PvP, etc...

Factually wrong. WoW had 2 continents of content, and you could level to 60 twice and barely set foot in the same zones the second time.

There were more instances as well.

Star Wars wont die and I am one of the unhappy guys.

On the other hand I dont get why all the fanboys are so fast to flame when somebody brings up some of the many problems, bugs and design flaws.

You should really hope Bioware starts to fix these issues because its great that you love the game so much but a small player base means less development in the long run.

Everquest 1 and 2 and even Warhammer Online is still around but especially Warhammer ... do you really want 3 generic world events per year and thats it development wise because they went into maintenance mode to squeeze more money out?

Players will come and go and some will come back to see their class story advance and play it more like a singleplayer game (buy ME1,2,3 every 1-2 years). Its definitly not an MMO so you should like it or hate it for what it is. I keep playing until I can get my hands on Secret World or Guild Wars 2.

I beg to differ. I played WoW from release and still have active accounts that I play now and then.

Vanilla WoW didn't really have more content and certainly didn't have anything approaching the Voice acting quests of SWTOR. It didn't have BGs and had a very limited number of instances at release. And those instances were often very buggy. A year in things were much smoother, but there were still a lot of bugs.

It did take a while to level. But some of that was due to the enumerable bugs, server crashes, etc. A lot of it was also due to how long it took to get anywhere at a walk. And you did a lot of walking in Vanilla WoW. It was also true that if you pushed the leveling process death came much more frequently and runs back to your body could take a long time.

The OPs in SWTOR are much easier than the Vanilla WoW raids (40 person raids) but then that is one of the things that changed as WoW matured. A very small percentage of the population got to see content in many of the raids (I've seen estimates of well under 10% that completed all the Vanilla raids before the next expansion).