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People leaving wz is now out of control.

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People leaving wz is now out of control.

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Acesome
02.24.2012 , 09:20 PM | #441
Then you have no business PvP'ing then. Leaving a match live when your team needs you makes you not just selfish, but egotistical.

Your days are numbered, enjoy your selfish ways for now.

I will and honestly even with a debuff coming I'm still going to leave. Again I WILL NOT support a team that refuses to contribute to a win. You wanna farm? You do it without me end of the story.

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Caeliux
02.24.2012 , 09:29 PM | #442
Quote: Originally Posted by Acesome View Post
I will and honestly even with a debuff coming I'm still going to leave. Again I WILL NOT support a team that refuses to contribute to a win. You wanna farm? You do it without me end of the story.
Selfish, egotistical, self centered.
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TalonKorsaire
02.27.2012 , 04:51 AM | #443
Am I missing something, I've read a lot of this thread, by no means all of it, but wouldn't changing the dailies and weekly quests to medals won solve most of these issues?

If say you had to get 20 medals to complete your daily and say 150 medals to complete your weekly every game played would increase your total and people would stop leaving, you don't need any penalties, the good players would still get more medals and complete their quests quicker and the poor players, such as myself could still work towards completing the quests without feeling we are letting the side down.

It wouldn't be like Ilum where you have 50 imps all trying to farm central for weapons caches and the pubs unable to do anythingh as they don't have the numbers and don't want to be farmed, because the sides would be even.

Wins and looses wouldn't affect your progression, bad players wouldn't affect your progression, other leavers wouldn't affect your progression, afkers wouldn't affect your progression, the only thing that would is how well you play.

Afkers wouldn't get anything from being in warzones, leavers wouldn't get anything but people who are just starting PVP and are under geared and still learning will progress without holding back the really good people.

If randoms go against premades it wouldn't mater as much as your still contributing to your daily, I've constantly lost matches where I had a decent showing in the medal table but still lost and its frustrating.

Isn't this a viable solution, have I missed something?
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DarthSalt
02.27.2012 , 05:27 AM | #444
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonKorsaire View Post
Am I missing something, I've read a lot of this thread, by no means all of it, but wouldn't changing the dailies and weekly quests to medals won solve most of these issues?
Not at all sir. As either of my characters can get 10 medals with minimal effort and a dedicated healer has to TRY to get 6+, this would not be fair. I dislike the medal system, and adding more medals will only make WZs worse.
After Valor60, you tend to not care about medals and you just want a win anyway.

My proposal
1-if you did not start the match, it will not count towards your daily/weekly
2-let people know if they're going into a match in progress

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Annndy
02.27.2012 , 05:32 AM | #445
actually kinda funny to see half your team leave the second the enemy gets 1 goal in, blows 1 door, and caps 2 turrets for more then 10 seconds

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richardya
02.27.2012 , 09:24 AM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by Annndy View Post
actually kinda funny to see half your team leave the second the enemy gets 1 goal in, blows 1 door, and caps 2 turrets for more then 10 seconds
It makes me sad, this whole thread makes me sad. People adamant about their right to quit and have someone else take their spot. It's really amazing.

They should be forced to start their comment by saying

"I quit and make you fill in for me because......"
  • My team medal farms so John should play with them instead of me
  • My team is bad so John should play with them instead of me
  • I have limited time & need wins not losses so Johns time should be wasted instead of me
  • Someone on my team didn't pass so John should play with them instead of me
  • I Hate huttball so John should play Huttball instead of me
  • I hate voidstar so John should play Voidstar instead of me
  • I hate Alderan so John should play Alderan instead of me
  • The other team has better gear so John should play against them instead of me
  • The other team is a premade so John should play against them instead of me

Do they not understand they are screwing someone else over?

We have all been in frustrating matches. Knuckleheads running the wrong way, people standing in their end zone when a Knight has a ball. I have never quit, it's just not fair to the other people on my team (the garbage players aren't evil, and the other decent players on my team do not deserve to get hammered even worse) and it is down right rude to the guy filling in for me.

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richardya
02.27.2012 , 09:31 AM | #447
Double Post

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SirRobin
02.27.2012 , 10:18 AM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
It makes me sad, this whole thread makes me sad. People adamant about their right to quit and have someone else take their spot. It's really amazing.

They should be forced to start their comment by saying

"I quit and make you fill in for me because......"
  • My team medal farms so John should play with them instead of me
  • My team is bad so John should play with them instead of me
  • I have limited time & need wins not losses so Johns time should be wasted instead of me
  • Someone on my team didn't pass so John should play with them instead of me
  • I Hate huttball so John should play Huttball instead of me
  • I hate voidstar so John should play Voidstar instead of me
  • I hate Alderan so John should play Alderan instead of me
  • The other team has better gear so John should play against them instead of me
  • The other team is a premade so John should play against them instead of me

Do they not understand they are screwing someone else over?

We have all been in frustrating matches. Knuckleheads running the wrong way, people standing in their end zone when a Knight has a ball. I have never quit, it's just not fair to the other people on my team (the garbage players aren't evil, and the other decent players on my team do not deserve to get hammered even worse) and it is down right rude to the guy filling in for me.
You forgot to add...
  • I have no desire to waste my time in a warzone where and when a variety of addressable mechanics, bugs, glitches, exploits, and hacks allows one side to basically farm the other.
So you at least understand that someone is getting screwed over, right?

"Frustrating" matches are not the problem for me. That's part and parcel of PvP. It goes beyond frustrating when it is a completely manageable problem, by the people who want us to pay-to-play this game, but they choose not to aggressively address it.

That's when it goes into the "I am actually rewarding their behavior by staying" territory.

Meh... It finally got to the point where I just rolled a new main. If BioWare can't significantly address PvP's problems by the time she gets to 50... Well hopefully something better will be along, by then, for me to spend my money on.

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hulkweazel
02.27.2012 , 11:55 AM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
It makes me sad, this whole thread makes me sad. People adamant about their right to quit and have someone else take their spot. It's really amazing.

They should be forced to start their comment by saying

"I quit and make you fill in for me because......"
  • My team medal farms so John should play with them instead of me
  • My team is bad so John should play with them instead of me
  • I have limited time & need wins not losses so Johns time should be wasted instead of me
  • Someone on my team didn't pass so John should play with them instead of me
  • I Hate huttball so John should play Huttball instead of me
  • I hate voidstar so John should play Voidstar instead of me
  • I hate Alderan so John should play Alderan instead of me
  • The other team has better gear so John should play against them instead of me
  • The other team is a premade so John should play against them instead of me

Do they not understand they are screwing someone else over?

We have all been in frustrating matches. Knuckleheads running the wrong way, people standing in their end zone when a Knight has a ball. I have never quit, it's just not fair to the other people on my team (the garbage players aren't evil, and the other decent players on my team do not deserve to get hammered even worse) and it is down right rude to the guy filling in for me.
And it's equally selfish of players to have no regard for their team and just want to farm kills or to sit AFK for the entire time. By sticking it out, you're only encouraging such behavior. I do not condone either and I will leave if that's what they are doing.

As for joining a losing effort, I don't mind. Why? Because I join a WZ that's halfway finished, meaning I get out of there faster and I get easy commendations/exp. Sure, it's not as much as you would get normally but considering the time investment, it's not really that bad.

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salamanderx
02.27.2012 , 12:16 PM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by Genocidalx View Post
Using your analogy, bad players don't make team rosters. So, if you're not allowed on the roster, the problem is solved. I'll agree to that right now. Where do I sign?

That's why leagues exist, to group players by abilities.

They just need to leave the whole issue alone until rated warzones come out. Two separate ratings; one for group queuing and one for solo queuing. There, people will find themselves to be where they belong, eventually. It will no longer be my burden to carry dead weights and I can become a mere contributor rather than 1 or 2 supreme factors.

If I actually leave a warzone, I feel like I'm already being punished for lost time and mingling with poor company. I don't think it's fair that I'm forced to play with people I outclass.

By the same principle, I understand people not wanting to be weighed down by me if they outclass me. I don't expect them to.

Once rated warzones come out I can leave players like you behind and enjoy a competitive environment more suited to my abilities where, if I leave, it really does mean something.

Fine, "punish" me then, but not until then.
Not talking about league play, just talking about pick up teams... no roster. If I'm playing a pick up game of basketball/volleyball/you name it, and someone decides they want to quit because its looking like we might lose, they aren't getting back on any team of mine.

You quit, you stay quit. Dont come back. If its an emergency or something, fine but if you're going to waste my time and my teams time by being a p**** then stay the **** away.

That said its an MMO, so a "time out" or something along that line will have to do. I dont demand that people be superstars or even know the rules but I expect they try. People that think their way is "the only way to play" are often more wrong than a person thats killing peeps (hey at least they are neutralizing 1-2 players to make up for themselves).
MAY THE FARCE BE WITH YOU