Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

I agree with you. They probably deserve a tweaking (of the talent trees). Hybrids can get too much cc-improvements without sacrificing that much damage. That is true. I, personally, think the real problem is Resolve. It should make you immune to roots as well. That would solve the problem, if you ask me.

But people make outrageous claims, which is why I'm "defending my class". Sorcerers are not great damage dealers. They don't burst, at all. Almost every damage ability they have is reduced by armor. They can't do any decent healing, unless heal-spec:ed. If they are, they can't do any decent damage instead. Static Barrier does not hold for 10k damage. It absorbs 3-3,5k damage. Which is 1-2 attacks for most attackers etc etc...

Are we still talking about Sorcs?

Yes. Please, tell me which ones are not mitigated by armor. I've counted 3 (2 of which are talented).

Who could have possibly known that players would gravitate to a class that embodies both Emperor Palpatine and Darth Maul?

Nope, for some reason in my morning stupor I was thinking Force Lightning and Shock were Element damage, not energy. Disregard previous statement.

Old necro thread going nowhere. About a month old now and less than 30 different peeps posting in it. Fail!

Our Sorcs calls for a nerf.. she thinks shes does too much damage as pure healer spec.

Thats something. Even she says Sorcs needs a good wacking with the nerf bat.

L2p incoming

But lets face it. When 8 Player rated Bgs are coming.

Huttball will be 8 Sorcs versus 8 Sages or would you take a gunslinger instead of another sorc?

Nah.. noone would take a sniper/gunslinger if he can have another sorc in the team.

Sorc's aren't very good at one thing they just... do.... everything.... well....

1 on 1 my Operative or Jugg can take them, but pvp isn't all about 1v1 and in a group setting they are amazing.

I went in a WZ yesterday full of vangaurds on my team (we had 6, and 2 random non-healing DPS). We LOST.

Vanguards don't heal. Guards don't stack. Vanguards have weak single target damage, they pad damage stats with some potent AOEs.

Vanguard is still a very good class, on par with shadow / guardian, from my PoV. All three tanks are powerful in the right hands. But they'll never be a game changer like Sorc / sage hybrids. 6 Sorcs / sages hybrids + 2 tanks is pure WIN.

QQing about vanguards really... hmmm, from my experience, vanguards need heals to really shine, preferably from a sage.

And wouldn't you know... that is the simple truth with all of this nonsense around "sorc/sage + <insert a 2nd class u hate> dominate the game" claims.

My experience tells me otherwise. Usually a team that is so far lopsided to one or two classes has both extreme strengths and extreme disadvantages, and any balanced team with enough flexibility to adapt in general tactics easily exploits whatever weaknesses such a lopsided team shows.


People don't lose when the enemy is all sorc+mercenaries, or something like that.

People lose when they don't know how to simply counter it.