Gear based PvP is amateur hour

hehehe yeah right,

You guys are very funny actually , the system is not skilled based cause you cant EVER gear up and fight on the same lvl?

No the system is not skill based to YOU cause you want things given for free every damm time.

This system is quite skill based atm IF you spend your time and get the gear to make it so.

Skill based PvP <> Lazy PvP.

You didn't play it, huh? Prior to ToA, which most players credit with killing the game, the best gear was player crafted/enchanted stuff. So, everyone was really on a level playing field (gear wise) immediately upon hitting level cap. Assuming they could afford the gear (everyone could).

PvE raids ruin PvP games by adding a gear grind to them. DAoC didn't have meaningful PvE raids.

I hated WoW's gear>skill system, sigh.

And the republican shows up. What's funny to me is that there's no "hard work" involved in getting Battlemaster gear. You que up, run around doing everything that isn't the games actual objectives and within a months time, you're 60. The only "dedication" you put into the grind is time and even that, you don't have to actually sit at your computer and play. You could afk out in a corner somewhere after the game starts and still achieve 60. (Kind of like a politician getting into office just because his daddy was there? Yeah. Same concept: earning a title you don't deserve based on the backs of other people.)

Even the rich who are spoiled rotten sitting in their Porches still have a feeling of Entitlement and BELIEVE that everything should be handed to them first. They "earned" it after all, right? (This argument also goes to all of the "hardcore" pve guilds out there whining about color crystals, raiding isn't hard, get over yourselves.)

Venjinze I tend to agree with you however I think if we look at the difference that gear makes then we begin to see the sort of gearflation people are talking about. The point being what does having several tiers of PvP gear add to a game? What does it take away? Of course people want to be rewarded for their PvP awesomeness but what kinds of rewards are most in line with MMO PvP?

Many of us are happy with minor gear differences and more social/label rewards. A nice title for example Fylkra "The Curbstomper" Blackraven has no in game effect and is a perfectly valid reward for say, killing 30 people in a match without dying. A 2% PvP immunity piece of gear has an effect on the game balance.

I am not saying that gear should be removed, I am simply saying it's a very slippery slope when you start adding gear differentials. I am personally against it but I also think whining about something that you can get in a few weeks of *** kicking is really no big deal. As the old folks used to say "It builds character!". I AM concerned as they add more and more Pseudo-levels this gearflation will create more problems than it's worth. How much time should you have to put in to be able to play with the big boys?

The fact that your "hero" is a real piece of dog poo unless he has his super blaster and jacket and boots and belt and stims and... etc. etc. makes you wonder how much "skill" is really required. At some point you have to admit that if you took your gear and gave it to another player they would basically do just as well as you and that is the real sad part of gear based systems. The gear functions as a crutch and people say "damn I need better gear" instead of "Damn I need to learn to play this class better".

It is not earned, its just rinse and repeat for gear. It takes zero...I mean ZERO skill to log in and do warzones. You dont have to win, you dont have kill people, you just have to log in again and again and again. You can be a key board turner and still get BM gear in this game.

Dont get me wrong i like your analogy; In your stoy the protaganist had to earn it still.

You wont make it far in life if all you do at work is "show up"

BTW, a porsche...really? That better not be a convertible.

I dont think a MAN that is driving a porsche is doing well persay..I shake my head and think, "now that is a guy that cant change a lightbulb".

Men do not drive cars like that, strippers drive cars like that.

On the second day after hitting 50 I had 2 champ relics, 1 champ off hand, 4 armor pieces of Cent, 2 Cent implants and a earpiece. I've been top dmg on amlost every WZ I'm in and I don't have trouble with anyone in BM gear... so, maybe skill does matter and the gear you need to compete is very easy to get.

Huh? WvW in guild wars 2 is PvP and you will not have the same gear, you get stat bolstered to level 80, just like in SWTOR wz you get bolstered to 50. In the team based pvp, yes you will have the same gear.

Guild Wars.
Ok, it was 100% instanced pvp.
So is SWTOR, unless you consider Ilum pvp.

Gear was irrilevant on GW: you could create a pvp character fully geared from the start.

The reward?
Ladder position.
Unlocking every single skill in the game, for every class, without the need to ever touch any kind of pve.

Also, pvp itself was the reward on GW.

As to your 1st part: I completely understand but my thing is that in the confines of the game, at least people clock/log in to do that. If it's that simple, then what is people's big gripe about having/not having the gear?

2nd: I agree on the car. I just picked it because everyone knows what it is and that they're fairly expensive. As for me & what I roll in (as a toy, not a daily driver).... 1968 Firebird Formula 400 with a 565hp 383. Cost me as much as the Porsche by the time I was done restoring it .... but blows the doors off of them. Up next will be the new NSX (building a garage this summer to house that, the Firebird, my CJ, & one more on lifts. Cool to meet another car guy!