Gear based PvP is amateur hour

or DC Universe
or Continent of the ninth
or 1.4 Age of Conan (so sad they turned it into PvE carebears stat game now, is way worse than swtor even now)

Basically, people want to take the RPG out of MMORPG.

RPG's at their core are building your character up.

those who focus on a character are generally more powerful then those who don't.

you can simply look at every single MMO since release, and it's in some way building you your character.

be it UO, with Skills and Vanquishing Weapons

or DAOC, with Realm Rank system.

they all have a way to show who has played their character longer over who is a bloody nub.

*edit*

PS, everytime I see a "Guild Wars 2 will be amazing post" by people in these threads or on Forums, I kept help to wonder, How bloody stupid can human beings get?

GW2 will not be the second coming, It will not have the most amazing PVP ever, and it will not be any different from any other MMO you play.

In fact, you will be doing the same collective Meh everyone has done for the past few years since WOW when it is released.

I love when I dont need to grind gear and I can play PvP to improve my skills (my own) and instead of better gear I have better flexibility ....

The game which should be about flexibility and not grind should release soon (not GW2, but GW2 will be similar and it wont be about gear) :-)))))

You will receive more and more skills and you can tweaks your builds but your original build is still strong and should be comparable to someone else who invest more time but have better posibilities to change the build or play something different..... But who knows, maybe it will be about gear .... again....

The haves vs. the wanting?

The hard working vs. the work-less?

Where have I heard this argument before???? Hmmmmmm......

Oh yeaaaahhhh, last election... thaaaaat's right!

TO THE LITTLE KIDS CRYING ABOUT NOT HAVING GEAR & GETTING FACE STOMPED......

Welcome to reality. It exists.... even in video games. In RL, you work your tail off, make powerful friends, and go through the daily "grind" to get ahead. Sooner or later you find yourself behind the wheel of a Porsche at a stop light, while the stoner in the car next to you, who has put life on easy-mode, sits in his beater Honda and complains that he WANTS a Porsche and SHOULD have one because..... It's not faaaiiiirrrrr. Well, guess what, kids?

It doesn't work that way.

Translated to in-game: You see a guy in much better gear (the Porsche in my example above)... run. He's better than you (face it, yes he is), has worked harder, longer than you, and has EARNED the right to the advantage. BUT NEWSFLASH!!!!!! Just like RL, you too have the exact same opportunity to be in the same position. You just have to EARN it.

Leet is Leet & a Dead Beat is Dead Beat. Funny how art imitates life like that isn't it? Run along now and let your tears go fall onto some other forum. Maybe go find one debating the meaning of a Dashboard Confessional album or something?

who are you speaking for? an entire generation of people?

and cool opinion you got there

ROFL unless you live with mom? ppl have been loving the fact they have to grind/work towards gear to show they put work into there toons for um years, not sure what your smoking but tell your mom to share next time champ...

Ya your talking about MW3, so go play it and enjoy?

DAoC is the best MMO ever for PVP. Granted, ToA and New Frontiers ruined it slightly but 8v8 in emain was the stuff of legends.

I didn't read any of this but it's true

It's always the people that just hit 50 that come here and complain that they are getting rolled in PvP. Let me tell you, if there was NO PvP gear in this game, people would still be rolling you in end game PvE gear.

It isn't hard to get PvP gear, or any gear for that matter in this game. It's not only the people that live in their mom's basement that are rolling around at battlemaster. Actually, when you're BM, it takes like an hour out of your day to get your armaments and 3 wz wins. That directly contradicts all these people that think you have to put in long hours and countless days to grind Battlemaster gear.

I don't PvE, so PvP gear is the only progressive item set I can work towards.

DAoC was great but there was still gear differentials in newly leveled players, don't kid yourselves. And a huge skillset differential, as with any MMO.

Stop making excuses.