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EU Servers and the unofficial language

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terminova
02.26.2012 , 01:52 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Telendria View Post
It is? where exactly?

All I found is


And I went through all three ToS, Rules of consuct and EULA
And you found it: disruptive of dialogue in chat. If the server is an English based server, players on the server should respect that and use English in the major chat channels. If they want to speak in a different language, they can create chat channels just for that.
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Tsarion
02.26.2012 , 02:02 PM | #32
Personally it doesn't bother me as I play on an RP server, and foreign languages add to my immersion.
Saying that though, people should realise that when the Server says English, it means the language and not the Nationality.
Asking people to communicate in English on an English server is not rude, ignorant or racist.

P.S.
I'm not English before anyone starts on me.

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Ronamo
02.26.2012 , 02:24 PM | #33
For reference, from the MW dictionary:

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racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

bigot - a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

prejudice - injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims / preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge

Asking that people speak in the language the server population is intended to use is not racist. It does not indicate a belief that they are inherently a lesser person based on their genetic origins.

Asking that people speak in the language the server population is intended to use is not bigoted. You are not treating them with hatred or intolerance. You are acknowledging that they are freely allowed to play on the server of their choice given that their actions follow the terms of service. They are not being asked or forced to move servers. They are being asked to use the server's intended language.

Asking that people speak in the language the server population is intended to use is not prejudicial. You are not pre-judging those people. You are not making any judgements about them whatsoever. You are simply asking that they make their speech accessible to the intended audience, and to avoid filling the public space with speech which is incomprehensible to the intended audience.
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Telendria
02.26.2012 , 02:25 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
And you found it: disruptive of dialogue in chat. If the server is an English based server, players on the server should respect that and use English in the major chat channels. If they want to speak in a different language, they can create chat channels just for that.
Different languages are not disruptive of dialogue. Their conversations might be more about the game than constant "USE ENGLISH" comments from people who haven't found /ignore yet.

IF you suggest they should respect some unwritten rule, then maybe YOU should respect the fact, that they don't have dedicated servers and want to socialize in a way THEY prefer.

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GiJoeGe
02.26.2012 , 02:31 PM | #35
I do fully agree with the thread starter.

Requesting players on English servers to use the default language in general chat doesn't have anything to do with racism. Rather with respect towards other players and the applicable rules on that particular server.

It is free to every single player to create or join a channel and use their own native language as much as they want; but not in general chat.

As far as I know no one would ever use any other language on a German or French server; but that may be due to the fact that e.g. Spanish or Russian players haven't got their own servers, so it is only human to try use your native language if your English skills are poor.

On the other hand, don't make the mistake to assume that there are no Germans or French players on English servers. I know of many Germans, including me, who are playing SWTOR in original language as they wish to fully immerse into the game.

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OddballEasyEight
02.26.2012 , 02:36 PM | #36
Oh i remember the days of APB when 90% of the chat was filled with cyrillic and if anyone pointed out that they were playing on an ENGLISH server, you would be harassed until you logged off...

lovely days :/


oh... apparantly its still like that in APB:R


EDIT: and APB/APB:R had dedicated russian servers... it wont make a difference if BW makes russian servers, they'll still hang around on the english servers now since they have characters there (that goes for most other languages with no dedicated servers too)
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Maidel
02.26.2012 , 02:55 PM | #37
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On the other hand, don't make the mistake to assume that there are no Germans or French players on English servers. I know of many Germans, including me, who are playing SWTOR in original language as they wish to fully immerse into the game.

Oo, realise its a side track to the main thread, but what's the translations like in this game.

I only speak/ read French well enough to survive for a weeks holiday so I've never tried playing a game in a foreign language so it just sparked an interrest.

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GiJoeGe
02.26.2012 , 03:05 PM | #38
I'll make it short as off topic.

As to the German version of the game, I can't tell you as I play in English.

What I 've heard so far, it is supposed to be a very good example of a well localised game.

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Emned
02.26.2012 , 04:45 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsarion View Post
Personally it doesn't bother me as I play on an RP server, and foreign languages add to my immersion.
Really? People speaking in a foreign language adds to your immersion?

If anything would be breaking my immersion it's exactly that. Especially if they start to speak my own language...

I can understand people wanting to speak in/chat in their own language but yes, please keep it out of the public channels...

And even if they would localise this game into my own language I will still be playing on an English speaking server because I have always watched and played Star Wars in English and suddenly having to read Dutch terms for things that sound way more natural in English is just strange...

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Telendria
02.26.2012 , 04:51 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Emned View Post
Really? People speaking in a foreign language adds to your immersion?

If anything would be breaking my immersion it's exactly that. Especially if they start to speak my own language...

I can understand people wanting to speak in/chat in their own language but yes, please keep it out of the public channels...

And even if they would localise this game into my own language I will still be playing on an English speaking server because I have always watched and played Star Wars in English and suddenly having to read Dutch terms for things that sound way more natural in English is just strange...
the general chat is called General, not English channel. If you want english only channel, you and english-only speaking community can make one, noone is stoppping you.