Nobody in the Galaxy can swim

Yes it is.

Yes, I made a guess that you would move on. Looks like I was spot on.

I'm glad to see that you appreciate the trajedy of just moving on, rather than voicing ones concern about something in the hope that the devs will change things accordingly.

The devs never actually blamed the tech as being the cause of a lack of swimming.
They just made flippant remarks about how players wouldn't want to go swimming.
Along with the circular argument that swimming isn't in, because they haven't had the time to put something interesting in to justify adding swimming.

Which is a completely ridiculous justification given that you don't actually need some form of enormous event / encounter / whatever just to justify the inclusion of swimming in an MMO.

Lol. Given the apparent state the engine was in when Gordon Walton was apparently putting together the BWA office, I'd say that much of the issues associated with performance of the HeroEngine and its capabilities lie squarely with Bioware and what they did with the engine once they got their hands on it.

To quote the manufacturers of HeroEngine:

"It’s not productized yet," we told Gordon. "There are whole sections of code that is only roughed in and not optimized for performance or security. And there are very few comments and very little documentation."

He didn’t care. "We are going to have tons of engineers. We can finish it ourselves. We’re going to want to modify your source code for our special project anyway."

I'm certainly curious to know what differences there are between TOR's version and the version of the engine being currently supplied by Idea Fabrik. I wonder what version the other MMO dev companies are using who have since bought a licence to use the engine?

At least we don't die in the water immediately - remember GTA Vice City - poor Tommy.

Lol. It's always amusing to see someone try to cite real world physics. Using such logic:

• Players would never hear explosions in space.
• Characters couldn't use "the force".
• Speederbikes would nose-dive into the ground the moment they set off.

My point is that there are situations whereby "real world" physics may not actually apply. Especially in a fictional universe. It all depends on the author's whim.

For instance, if LA made an episode in which lightsabers and some blasters can be used underwater, then that's pretty much a fact. And the simple fact is, they have. So what happens in the real world is irrelevant.

I would like to care, but never having played any MMO where they did swimming well, Im glad they didnt bother. I didnt need another underwater area i had to suffer through.

please tell me how swimming under water for 5 mins with full metal armor shoting a blaster or swinging a lightsaber makes the game feel "real"

I do understand your point, it would be nasty to be forced to take part in something you don't enjoy. For this reason, I hope that future "leveling content" in TOR doesn't force people into too many aquatic situations.

However, I still think that there should be areas in the game where players can swim if they want to. With the obvious inclusion of underwater objects and enticements to go there of course

Firstly, players aren't necessarily wearing metal armour in the Star Wars universe. If memory serves me right, a lot of armour is actually a composite material.

Secondly, LA have proven in the Clone Wars series (as well as comics) that lightsabers and blaster fire DOES function correctly under water. Contrary to real world physics.

So I don't see a problem with the inclusion of swimming on those points.

Furthermore, it could be argued that the omision of swimming in the game attributes to diminishing the entire experience of feeling like you are IN the Star Wars universe. After all, swimming is experinced in the movies (Phantom Menace), animated series, comics and other Star Wars games. Possibly in books too.

Swimming and water is integral to both the Star Wars universe and our own. That is why the inclusion of swimming in deep water can actually assist with the illusion of it feeling "real". After all, that is entirely why these games use 3D graphics: to give the illusion of being INSIDE a gameworld.