I have become a WZ quitter...

I understand that, but when they people who JUST want valor, gear, and XP ruin the PVP matches for the people who are actually there FOR the PVP matches, it just sucks. You get what you want either way, but whether or not we get what we want is at the mercy of fate and quitters. That's not fair, IMO.
If you stay in the match, you still get valor at the end, and one could argue that, depending on your server queue times, you get more valor by staying, and you get commendations, too. That's EVERY finished match, regardless of winning or losing.

When you quit, though, you pretty much guarantee a loss for the remaining players, NOT because they need to be carried, but because they can't be vastly outnumbered for a full minute or more.










It's far better to leave the game BEFORE it starts, so I at least commend you on that, but not everyone that has a problem with quitters is a 12k health noob. I'm in my 40's in valor rank, with nearly full T2 PVP gear with the gaps filled in with T1. I'm not a great PVP'er by any means, but I am fairly good. I hate quitters because they open the flood gate for the other team to walk all over me.




You get valor and commendations for staying. You get nothing for leaving.




1. A lot of people don't leave because of scrubs, they leave the very second that their team falls behind. I've been in matches where we score immediately early on and lead 1-0 for a few minutes, but 8 minutes in if the other team takes a 2-1 leave, 4 people quit. That doesn't make sense. Clearly the game is fairly even and a good competition.

2. Not really, the point is that they play the game. WZ quitters don't play the game at all, they're looking for handouts.

3. Obviously to TRY to win very game, but reality is that you CAN'T win every game. For every game that is won, someone has to lose, too. I understand that a lot of PVE scrubs and clueless noobs want to get their dailies ASAP because that's the only way they're capable of getting decent gear, but for those of us who PVP for the sake of PVP'ing, the dailies aren't much of an issue because we're going to play enough games to get our 3 victories eventually anyway.
And if you want to argue that it's a time constraint issue, I LOL at that. I'm a high school English teacher and a coach and I'm in grad school, too. I'm lucky to get an hour or two a day during the week to play TOR. A lot of quitters are unemployed high schoolers or college students who have all the time in the world.




The assumption that everyone who is against quitters is bad or needs to be carried is one made only by fools. Congratulations! You're unable to think logically and understand that there is more than one viewpoint on an issue!




How did you know I'm not a professional athlete? Are you a Sith in real life, too?




OK, so in little league or high school baseball does the other team just walk off the field if they're down 4-0? No, they keep playing! And if you argue that there's a mercy rule if it gets really bad, let me remind you that there are mercy rules in TOR PVP, too. The point was that teams don't just walk off the field when they're losing, they keep playing. I used MLB teams because the disparity of talent between the Brewers and Astros was an easy way to make the illustration.

TL;DR version:
There is merit in quitting a WZ, and I'm not sure that "punishing" quitters is the right solution. That might simply be changing the oil in a car, but the tires are still flat.


Wordy version:
The brief tale of how I've become a WZ quitter...

So I've always been pretty upset when people ditch WZ's, to the point where I kind of explicitly sought out a guild that frequently does WZ's. I always presumed that quitters were n00bs, people who sucked at WZ's, etc. Anyways, I was in a guild PVP WZ the other day and before the match had even started, the guild chat was "let's bail."

I asked why and the response was "half the team isn't geared. if the enemy is better geared, it's a waste of time. we gotta get our dailies/weeklies done. we'll give it a minute to see the state of the enemy."

So to make a long story short, the enemy WAS better geared, but I convinced the guild to stay, and no one quit. It was a brutal deathmarch where we managed to cap 2 for very short periods of time, but could never consistently hold more than 1 cap. After 15 mins or so, we lost.

After that, I caved, and we started playing their way. In 30 minutes, I had gotten my daily done. After an hour, I'd gotten my entire weekly done.

Becoming a quitter is a bit depressing, because, while there IS a great degree of skill in WZ's, it makes me realize that WZ's really are a numbers game. If THIS, then our odds of winning are 75% or higher. If THAT, then our odds of winning are 25% or lower. Once you know the formula, you can pretty easily just treat any given WZ like you would a quest... "Can I win this? No? I'll leave and try again later."

In the 10-49 bracket there are less quitters IMO, cuz ppl are still after xp, comendations and money.

After they turn 50 its where the real problem lies, cuz now u have to complete the daily to get your pvp gear, and only by winning u can achieve that.

lol im juvenile for having a differing opinion, i can taste the irony

to answer your questions:

1. it became mandatory to win games when the objective is TO WIN GAMES. not a hard concept for some, i guess you are not some

2. leaving a wz is justified when it takes 6 hours to complete dailies if you dont. some of us dont have 6 hours a day to play or just dont want to so we do what needs to be done to get things done

3. too much effort for what? actually reading and responding to my post? i think you are confusing them with you. id like to hear your explanation for this self proclaimed title of "self entitiled", sound like a baseless insult to justify needing people to carry you through all of your games and throwing a tantrum when they dont

i hate to burst your bubble but playing for hours just to get 3 wins is not fun. now if the emphasis was not on winning (which it wont be soon) then id predict a lot less leavers. since i obtained a full set of champ gear before lvl 60 i havent left a wz once, as soon as i hit 60 youll be damn sure im not gonna spend hours working on dailies. as soon as we get rid of people like you this game is going to be a better place and we can all get our dailies done in a reasonable amount of time, until then you can continue to be a part of the problem and ill continue to fix it

Agreed, something really should be done about this. People can justify fighting to the losing end all they want, but when push comes to shove, you only get your dailies/weekly if you win. Not a problem for people who have been 50 since day 2, or people who managed to get gear drops in bags before they changed the rules, but it's a serious issue for anyone who's freshly turned 50 or only been 50 briefly to try and get geared up to better support their teams.

"half the team isn't geared. if the enemy is better geared, it's a waste of time. we gotta get our dailies/weeklies done. we'll give it a minute to see the state of the enemy."