Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

youre bad if the highest you can hit is 250k. Ive been in matches where a hybrid dps sorc gets 700k. seen screenshots of 950k.

i've pulled up around 500k damage whilst being just shy of 200k healing a few times (my dps is always higher than my hps, but i fill in when my team lacks an actual healer, i pug a lot), a lot of its exaggerated by the fact that rather than armor mitigating damage, shield absorbs it giving the dps'er +3k damage, and the sorc +3k healing, whereas for other classes the damage isn't counted at all, if the enemy is sage heavy, especially healer types, damage of no real consequence adds up a lot.

If all i do is dps, 750k+ is plausible, at least on void star with a high uptime it is.

I play my powertech mroe than my sorc though, but even that in the right environment can push really high numbers, over 400k damage isn't that implausible in a pyro spec and i've even done over 200k protection (with a similar dmg value) when tank specced.

Really high numbers is more about the game's environment than anything though.

No it's not since these are the only two classes which can do everything in the game. Let's face it, BW made a huge mistake with class design.

i logged on just to support the idea brought on by this thread. Shy of high armor (solved by their fast casting shield ability), sorcerer's are just way too OPed, with their high dps/heals/bubbles, it takes a lot for some classes to even bother with them. Every week when the patch comes out, I'm always surprised BW hasn't done a single thing to nerf the obvious OPness of sorcerers/sages

I just want to point out that these linked TK Throw tooltips are blatantly wrong.

If you read the Darth Hater caption, "The values used on spell tooltips are based on Level 50 characters in Green Gear," not level 1 characters.

The second linked tooltip indicates that TK throw hits for 4,000+ damage. This is not accurate, even for geared characters. In full champion gear, my (talented) TK throw ticks four times, for a total of ~2700 damage on light armor.

As a pyro PT, can easily do 13000 burst in 2 seconds, while still being able to taunt.

Commandos and Ops can still heal and dps. Hybrid sorcs don't actually do anything particularly well. Why don't we see screenshots of these 700K dmg 250 heal sorcs? Or 500k/500k like the OP claimed? Someone claimed he saw a 950k hybrid sorc. How do you even know it was a hybrid? How much did he heal for? If he had to use a dps stance, would that actually change anything? I doubt it. It might make his dps even higher.

Stances would just make sorcs more powerful in that stance. What I mean is, a healing sorc would have to have a bonus to healing in his stance, which would make him heal better. A dps sorc would have a bonus to dps which would make him dps better. That's the way stances work - they are a tradeoff with benefit to one thing and negatives to another. People would still complain about sorcs doing tons of whatever it is they already complain about. They wouldn't implement stances w/o any benefit to being in that stance. Other classes were designed with that in mind from their creation - sorcs weren't. In order to bring in such a change, there WOULD be benefits to the class that were added in to compensate. BW isn't just making a PvP game - sorcs would still have to be viable for raiding and leveling, which would mean stances would have to benefit the user as much as it restricts him.

For example, my trooper can still dps in her "healing stance" and can still heal in her "dps stance". And I can still do both pretty well. For anyone curious, here's my trooper build:

http://knotor.com/skills#AgkZEABBSlF...txgoqRo6mxytsA

I don't know why people say sorcs are the only hybrid - there's tons of others. As for the assassin/shadow stance dance nerf, I can't understand why everyone thinks that was BW saying they don't like hybrid builds - it was simply 1 mechanic that wasn't working the way they intended, so they fixed it. That's all. One change to one specific class doesn't mean that BW doesn't want there to be any viable hybrid builds for any other class.

I support it.

sorcs/sages are group multipliers. With aoe attacks there is no way they can have aoe heals, nor be decent healers at that. If a sorc is putting out 400-500k+ damage output it is simply NOT possible to heal damage for any significant figure. Also if they are doing that kind of damage in a warzone they are generally ignoring the objectives anyways and the group tends to lose those warzones.

With aoe heals there is no way they can have aoe damage, nor be decent damage dealers at that. If a sorc is putting out 400-500k+ heals, it is simply NOT possible to deal damage for any significant figure.

Hybrid sorcs simply cannot have the aoe heals and keep the passive skill madness with the force generation that is associated with force lightning crit. However they can have the AOE damage. If they are dealing damage they cannot heal at the same time since they have no aoe heals. The only heal over time heal that can tick while they are dps'ing is the sorc's equivalent to sage's rejuvinate, and this does not heal for much damage. So this brings us simply back to the fact that it is impossible for hybrid sorcs to deal 400-500k+ damage and heal for anything above 100k in a warzone.

If you can proove they do 500k damage and healing at the same time, sure. I support it too. But until that time its quite funny.