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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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Visue
02.24.2012 , 08:30 PM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
I'm not going to say it's common. There's people that have gotten 900k damage before, too. Saw a Jedi Guardian do 400k damage and 300k protection, etc.

I rarely actually see anyone get above 400k damage, without protection or healing. But I do think Sorc/Sage needs tweaking to their hybrid build.
The hybrid build may need tweaking, but the full TK build definitely needs to be made viable. I actually like the playstyle and the animations of full TK much more than I like those of the hybrid, but TK does not do nearly enough damage (~1,100 damage on Disturbance, ~2,500-2,700 Turbulence crits) or offer nearly enough mobility to be usable in PvP.

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BobaIceTea
02.24.2012 , 08:31 PM | #362
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreadspectre View Post
Not that I support the OP, but it's really not hard to pull like 300k damage and 200k healing. If it's a well geared and oiled premade or something you can easily get even more numbers, maybe like 500k but still only 150-200k healing.

It's kinda silly to have so many utilities tied to a single class with no restrictions. I'd be more happy with some sort of secondary AC choice where after picking Sage they then pick if they are going to follow the path of damage or healing and depending on the choice it lowers their output on the side they didn't pick by like 10-20% or something.

However before one jumps to these sorts of things you have to realize what this would do to a class during their leveling and also in PvE endgame stuff.
WTH IS THIS!?! Please get your insightful and well thought post out of these forums!!! It doesn't belong here.

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Visue
02.24.2012 , 08:32 PM | #363
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
You are correct, force actually runs out pretty quick while healing as a hybrid healer sage. Usually what I have to do to regenerate my force is to actually spam telekinetic throw because it regens my force. It's comical actually. Oh you mean I ran out of force? Fine I'll go kill some people for a while then......
Using that ability turns out to be JUST over force-neutral, given the ability's initial cost. When I find myself with so little force that I am unable to use anything else, it typically means I'm about to die.

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bellok
02.24.2012 , 08:35 PM | #364
Quote: Originally Posted by Visue View Post
Using that ability turns out to be JUST over force-neutral, given the ability's initial cost. When I find myself with so little force that I am unable to use anything else, it typically means I'm about to die.
well it seems to do well enough for me, of course there is that last ditch effort called noble sacrifice.......but still, force does run out fairly quickly, especially if you are trying to keep your groupies alive.

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Visue
02.24.2012 , 08:41 PM | #365
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
well it seems to do well enough for me, of course there is that last ditch effort called noble sacrifice.......but still, force does run out fairly quickly, especially if you are trying to keep your groupies alive.
I only have 7 points in Seer (the healing tree), but noble sacrifice eats a pretty nasty chunk of your health bar without the talents that enhance it.

All these people keep saying that DPS sages are getting 200k+ healing in warzones, but if I'm healing that much my DPS usually drops off to below 200k. If I focus on DPS, my damage is typically much higher, but I never get above about 75k healing. It's possible that I'm just doing it wrong though.

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bellok
02.24.2012 , 08:43 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by Visue View Post
I only have 7 points in Seer (the healing tree), but noble sacrifice eats a pretty nasty chunk of your health bar without the talents that enhance it.

All these people keep saying that DPS sages are getting 200k+ healing in warzones, but if I'm healing that much my DPS usually drops off to below 200k. If I focus on DPS, my damage is typically much higher, but I never get above about 75k healing. It's possible that I'm just doing it wrong though.
can you post your skill tree? You might be doing it wrong....

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NilanVoid
02.24.2012 , 08:43 PM | #367
Why is it that every idiot feels "they" know how to fix a class that they don't play?

I say we dispense with all armor, weapons, and spells and simply run around donkey-punching each other.

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bellok
02.24.2012 , 08:45 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
can you post your skill tree? You might be doing it wrong....
and you are right, dps sages are bust actually, you need to go seer sage with telekinetics balance. I think my spec is something like 27/0/14.......

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RedMix
02.24.2012 , 09:03 PM | #369
Quote: Originally Posted by NilanVoid View Post
Why is it that every idiot feels "they" know how to fix a class that they don't play?

I say we dispense with all armor, weapons, and spells and simply run around donkey-punching each other.
Sorcerers just don't know what its like to be one of the "have-nots"...

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Visue
02.24.2012 , 09:07 PM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by bellok View Post
and you are right, dps sages are bust actually, you need to go seer sage with telekinetics balance. I think my spec is something like 24/0/17.......
You have more than half of your points in the healing tree. I would expect you to be able to heal rather well with that kind of build. I've never tried it, so I'm not sure how the DPS measures up, but you're giving up a lot of utility and damage in the TK tree with that spec.

Here is my spec:

http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/...2e2f3ef5ef2ef8

I just want to point out that as a hybrid DPS sage (which seemed to be what the OP was discussing), my healing is mediocre at best. It's typically not even worth using healing abilities, especially when there's someone after you. I do well in terms of DPS, but I believe most hybrids are DPS hybrids and put even fewer points in healing than I do.