This game is TWO MONTHS old.

Those are far from "basic MMO features", they're just QOL issues .

What I find interesting is that the level of complaints about everything from poor graphics, lack of content, lack of end game inundated the Rift boards for about two to three months after release.....and now Rift is being utilized as a bat to beat SW over the head with, using the same type of complaints regarding this game.

I see 3 certainties here.

1. Those using Wow or Rift as a method of disparaging this game are here and not there.

2. The negative posts filled with conjecture and irrelevant comparisons are a standardized aspect of any MMO release and have been since UO.

3. There are approximately 1.7 million people enjoying this game compared to, on the high end, 1000 posters on this board promulgating its failure.

So are you claiming that being bored with something is entirely the fault of the bored? What numbers do you believe supports that assumption? Nor do I recall me stating that my boredom meant this game is a failure.

Actually no, an assumption of failure does not have to be inferred. Some have claimed that it is unfair to compare TOR to more developed mmo's. Apparently implying that TOR should only be compared to the "launch state" of other mmo's instead.

However that claim itself implies that equal resources were involved during every mmo's development. Something which is pretty clearly untrue in this case. TOR was EA's biggest development project ever. So should we expect only a little more, at best, than what other mmo's with far fewer development resources delivered?

So you claim "opinion" and then imply yours is not?

Actually, this statement is not true at all. There are so many variables involved in purchasing that, to make such an assumption formulated on such a narrow baseline is conjecture bordering on contradiction.

Even if one were to limit the realm of expectation regarding purchasing to a single parameter, it would be more likely, or more logical to assume that parameter is personal preference.

Even with that, LOL, except, once again, with a very small minority who's basis usually extends from a point of conjecture, the game is an improvement over past MMORPGs. Those changes and improvements, unlike much of the hyperbolic assertions being posted, are measurable and presentable.

I'm not claiming anything at all. I'm simply stating baseline facts. Boredom is defined as: the state of being weary and restless through lack of interest. Boredom can result from any occasion, event, really anything. One person can find boredom where another finds intense interest. You are bored with this particular game, I am fascinated and enjoying it. To argue who is right and who is wrong would be a point of futility, that based on the knowledge that the concept of emotion, and emotion tied to a particular stimulant is not something to be defined as absolute.

So, yes, I am not stating, but affirming that boredom is in the eye of the beholder.


This would make sense. Comparisons have to maintain certain equal paramiters. Comparing a framed house to a completed house would be an incorrect comparison. In order to compare two entities along a developemental curve, one would have to demonstrate those comparisons at equal points along that curve, then take into consideration and formulate variables from that point on.

I'm not evoking opinion, just demonstrating errors in formulation of comparisons. Second is that if one were to allow for such comparisons, this current game does exceed past games in many areas. Case in point would be the voice acting, cut scenes, story line and questing over randomly formulated quests loosely maintained and only part of the generic label "leveling".

What we see are people formulating comparisons with no scientific method at all, simply cherry picking aspects that support their argument and rejecting aspects that do not. In short, not only opinion, but opinion represented as fact.

Does anyone else find it amusing that someone expects to find a logical discourse about anything in an online gaming forum?

If we were all rocket scientists, we wouldn't be playing a video game to pass the time away.

guild wars will probably have great pvp and maybe good pve

but as for story...well....no....just no...ancient dragons that wake up and try to take over the world?Again???

since story always wins me in the end...SWTOR for me all the way

I m not saying I wont be playing GW2...but it wont excite me as much

Unless it had rockets in it. ;p

Umm, you might be surprised

So "feeling weary because one is unoccupied or lacks interest in one's current activity," has nothing to do with the activity? You appear to be implying that it is a one-way street and I don't think that is accurate. I don't believe that I am actually arguing that you should be bored or that I should not be. This is a general discussion board for this game and I find myself bored with the game. Seems like the right place to discuss it.

However comparing a house that cost two million to build to one that cost only half a million, and expecting them to be equal, would not be.

Apologies but that is what you are doing. Not to mention that what you think of as "many" is also a matter of some debate. It may exceed some games in some areas but it also falls short in others. Its an mmorpg in a market full of competitors. Comparisons are going to happen whether you feel they are justified or not.

So your cherry picking of the voice acting counts as scientific method but theirs does not? Apologies, again, but I think you are rating your own opinion a bit too highly. Its the general discussion board in the official forum for an mmorpg. You are going to find a lot of opinions here and your's is simply another one.