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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.
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Lurinorius
02.24.2012 , 07:32 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreadspectre View Post
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I'd be more happy with some sort of secondary AC choice where after picking Sage they then pick if they are going to follow the path of damage or healing and depending on the choice it lowers their output on the side they didn't pick by like 10-20% or something.

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By golly! I think this man is on to something. If only there was a system devised where levels give you some sort of perk toward your character that you can customize to either damage or healing. I would totally agree with that.

(P.S. - It's called the talent trees)

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Sookster
02.24.2012 , 07:33 AM | #212
LOL at people saying warriors has CC, the AOE snare is short and can be spammable but that's about it, you'd have to spec into immortal on the jugg to get backhand (which requires 3 rage) for a stun, a short stun on force charge, and nonchannel choke which I use as a CC- you trade off a big loss of damage for these CC in immortal. Sorc/sage still has more CC than most classes.

PS, that discussion about static barrier not counting towards heal, sit out a huttball match and just bubble yourself and walk over the fire until it pops and do it over and over until the match ends, you'll see the amount of healing you've done with static barrier alone.
Now that GoergZoeller is gone, buff operative.
SWTOR going F2P, now playing SWGemu.

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ShenhuaLing
02.24.2012 , 07:40 AM | #213
While I agree that Consulars and Inquisitors in general need a balancing act...I'm afraid that those of us that are healers will get hit too hard. As it is I'm a healing Sage, and while other specs are overpowered, this one isn't. If I get anyone on me, my job goes from healing everyone to healing myself and only myself and frequently that doesn't do any good.

So to all those crying for nerf this and nerf that, please remember that we are also the people healing you. I already moved away from my healing Operative because of the nerfs, I don't want to have to move away again.

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undiess
02.24.2012 , 07:45 AM | #214
Shadow/Assassins (the OTHER Inquisitor) have been targeted to remove stance "dancing" and killing hybrid builds.

Other classes have stances. Even companions (healer companions too..) have stances.

It's only fair that Sage/Sorcerers should have stances as well.

This is NOT apples and oranges. This is apples to apples. Shadow/Assassin has two roles, Sage/Sorcerer has two roles. Shadow/Assassin CANNOT do two roles at the same time, Sage/Sorcerer CAN.

I support the OP Suggestion.

EDIT: IT is also important to note that stances is, in itself, NOT A nerf. If you see it as a nerf, then you know you're exploiting a condition that other classes don't have the luxury of.

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iceperson
02.24.2012 , 07:49 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by AKfourtyseven View Post
Nobody would mind if the bubble counted as healing when put on another player- infact that is entirely correct, especially for a healer Sorc to gain credit.

This issue is that it counts when we self cast it, which is constantly. Notice i said we there. Its stupid and it creates an incorrect image of what a Sorc is really doing in a warzone because most of the times you see a Sorc with huge healing numbers they havent thrown a single heal to anyone.

The bubble should only count as healing when its cast on another player. This might also encourage people to actively assist teamates, its sickening when i play on my Jugg in a team with 4 Sorc and i cant even get a bubble when running the ball.
so self healing shouldn't count for sorcs? again, there's a reason why the devs aren't listening to you people.

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Excidium
02.24.2012 , 07:51 AM | #216
There is really no need for 2 stances. When a healer starts using damage abilties it's because nobody needs healing, and if a DPS starts healing he's just being a waste of space...
Excidia @ Jung Ma

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GrandMike
02.24.2012 , 07:54 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by undiess View Post
Shadow/Assassins (the OTHER Inquisitor) have been targeted to remove stance "dancing" and killing hybrid builds.

Other classes have stances. Even companions (healer companions too..) have stances.

It's only fair that Sage/Sorcerers should have stances as well.

This is NOT apples and oranges. This is apples to apples. Shadow/Assassin has two roles, Sage/Sorcerer has two roles. Shadow/Assassin CANNOT do two roles at the same time, Sage/Sorcerer CAN.

I support the OP Suggestion.

EDIT: IT is also important to note that stances is, in itself, NOT A nerf. If you see it as a nerf, then you know you're exploiting a condition that other classes don't have the luxury of.
Smugglers/Agent dont have stances at all
Commando/Merc doesnt have stance
Sage/Sorc dont have stance

Thats half of the classes.

next brlliant idea?

Oh, and sorc/sage cannot do 2 roles at the same time. It performes same as your shadow/assasin doing 2 roles at the same time. Gimped. Just because you dont have a stance doesnt mean you have 31/31/31 build.

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undiess
02.24.2012 , 08:00 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike View Post
Smugglers/Agent dont have stances at all
Commando/Merc doesnt have stance
Sage/Sorc dont have stance

Thats half of the classes.

next brlliant idea?

Oh, and sorc/sage cannot do 2 roles at the same time. It performes same as your shadow/assasin doing 2 roles at the same time. Gimped. Just because you dont have a stance doesnt mean you have 31/31/31 build.
Sage/Sorc is not nearly as gimped, because they don't have stances to limit one side or the other. The only thing limited is not putting the skills in to buff.

Assassin/Shadow has to devote the points to one side or the other, and if they switch to a tank stance while dps spec, it will negate things they put points it.

Thanks for confirming the brilliant idea, btw. When I get another one I'll be sure to run it by you, since you recognize my brilliance.

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GrandMike
02.24.2012 , 08:04 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by undiess View Post
Sage/Sorc is not nearly as gimped, because they don't have stances to limit one side or the other. The only thing limited is not putting the skills in to buff.

Assassin/Shadow has to devote the points to one side or the other, and if they switch to a tank stance while dps spec, it will negate things they put points it.

Thanks for confirming the brilliant idea, btw. When I get another one I'll be sure to run it by you, since you recognize my brilliance.
Really? So not having healing skills except crappy (untalented) basic ones doesnt gimp healing. Okies.

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pathiss
02.24.2012 , 08:04 AM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by Absit View Post
I can get behind this for healing stance for Sorcs, and that stance be required to use the bubble, and Force Speed be forbidden in that stance.
This is completely stupid.

A competent dps will out damage what a sorc can heal everytime if they know what they are doing and are equally geared.

All the sorcerer survival tools are already in the dps lines.

Very few sorcerers run heal spec as it is because you are hands down the squishiest class/spec combination in the game doing so. Might as well reroll as a merc healer and be unkillable, that is practically the truth already.
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