2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

I agree, the combat log is a good thing and it makes you perform. My first MMO, I hated when people posted my dps along with everyone else's. I was at or near the bottom every time. Nevertheless, this made me better. It made me learn how to properly set up rotations and not just button mash my skills. It was easy to pick up, and almost immediately I was at or near the top or the lists. IMO, players for whom TOR is their first MMO would have a difficult time raiding in another MMO in which these numbers games and dps races really matter. Some might say that that is why TOR more fun. Maybe so, but to me it is what alienates many long-time MMO players, and might chase us to another game. I think that, on some level, Bioware believes that the skill level is up because we have been denied things like the combat log and macros, but trust me, the general skill level is down. There does need to be a solution to this matter, and it does need to be quick. I think that if it goes beyond 1.2 might almost be too late. I strongly believe that some of the players who have left this game already would still be here if some of the most common and essential staples of these games had not been left out of TOR without the introduction of an alternative solution. As it is, this game feels like something from a long time ago...

few of its boss fights are still hardest boss fights in MMO raiding history. You acn ofc watch your eq1 raids and **** via rose tinted glasses as much as you want.

Disregarding the computer and/or video games as a medium potentially fostering intelligent discussion is both ignorant and, based on your previous replies, indication of what I would personally attribute to simple lack of intelligence. Either way, following your logic I assume you'll say the same of movies? Even fiction as well? I guess only Foucault and the like is good enough for you. Alas, I guess that is the unfortunate lot of us adults from your perspective, right?

I do, however, sympathise with you; you seem hell-bent intent on convincing yourself that as an adult, you should be barred from actively influencing or perhaps, in your ideal world, outright participating in what you deem childish activities.

Oh, and not to derail thread: Of course a combat log is needed. The game should be as transparent as possible in order to guarantee everybody a good experience. And yes, it includes combat parsers. It would illuminate class discrepancies and help induce community-forced balance changes where due (not to be misunderstood as 'mindless QQ causing knee-jerk buffing and nerfing of various classes).

Though if you ARE talking about hardest MMO boss fights in MMO history then you are talking about EQ1 raids. WoW raids aren't even a blip on the radar compared to those and certainly aren't the 'hardest ever devised' - even today there are much harder raids in EQ2 that haven't even been seriously touched.

It isn't rose-colored glasses really - just a different time and entirely different skill set trying to coordinate 72 different people on the same target without aid of voice, add-ons, screen prompts, etc. - things that most modern MMO's utilitize to make the process manageable.

/derail off

I agree. When I'm sitting at over 1/3 health, have a companion healing me, and all of the sudden I'm dead, I want to know what kind of shot hit me.

Karma.

I think there should be a combat dummy that players could dps against that would provide feedback on dps back to the player. That is all that is needed to help players figure out and practice some basic rotations.

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Combat logs lead to meters. Unless Bioware somehow makes it impossible to get the data from the game, someone, somewhere will makea a meter.

This. I and many others hope to high heaven that a combat log is never implemented. As soon as it is there will be DPS meters and that's the end of that. Right now it's nice not to have to deal with all that nonsense, and is one of the positive, differentiating features of the game.