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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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Kalliadies
02.23.2012 , 08:15 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
If they are spec'd into CC, they aren't doing much healing - if at all.

Hard to kill? lol, oh noes, a 3k bubble with light armor.

AOE damage? lol

Single target? Who doesn't? But it's also one of the lowest burst in the game.

Bad's are bad's.
Read it again skippy, Hard to kill through skill set. Being hard to kill doesnt always have to do with ability to take hits. Suddenly getting focused? Bubble, force sprint, line of sight and heal

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Dudious
02.23.2012 , 08:15 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by jonnyshadow View Post
pretty sure he was talking about how other classes dont have such an abundance as sorcs/sages have......sins/shadows got 100 force....jugs/sents got 12 focus (each skill that uses focus cost around 2-4).....snipers/scoundrel got 100 energy (has a way slower recovery rate than sins)...trooper gets 12 ammo...dunno bout bounty hunters....and correct me if im wrong dont sorcs/sages get like 500 force? do you see the unbalance now?
Reallly? I've got to say this again?

Every class (including the ones listed in the post I originally quoted) have resource free heals and attacks. Sorcs/Sages do not, hence the NEED to have more resources to play with.

I mean seriously - how is no-one else seeing this?

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MacOda
02.23.2012 , 08:18 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Bad's are bad's.

Ahh...one of the standard response for those that have no real legitimate response...


Bads are bads

L2P

I am spec'd 31/31/31 like all Sorcs/Sages

Just interrupt

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Jebi
02.23.2012 , 08:18 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalliadies View Post
Read it again skippy, Hard to kill through skill set. Being hard to kill doesnt always have to do with ability to take hits. Suddenly getting focus? Bubble, force sprint, line of sight and heal
And most classes have stuns, slows, or cc of their own... don't spam it at the start of the fight like a noob, when they click sprint, boom - cc, sprint wasted.

My mar, my merc, and my sin eat sorcerers for breakfast.

What the problem again?

User error by the sounds of it.

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Jebi
02.23.2012 , 08:21 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by MacOda View Post
Ahh...one of the standard response for those that have no real legitimate response...
Yeah, cause making outlandish claims like 500k damage and 500k healing like the OP is clearly where it's at.

Truth hurts, you're bad.

Quote: Originally Posted by MacOda View Post
I am spec'd 31/31/31 like all Sorcs/Sages
Apparently sorcerer's are all spec'd 38/38/38 according to all the scrubs.

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Tumri
02.23.2012 , 08:22 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
If they are spec'd into CC, they aren't doing much healing - if at all. (pro-tip bubble counts as healing, and if they get decent healing on a chart, it's because they are bubbling OTHER people - oh no!)

Hard to kill? lol, oh noes, a 3k bubble with light armor. So hard...

AOE damage? lol

Single target? Who doesn't? But it's also one of the lowest burst in the game.

Bad's are bad's.

Sorcerers and sages are one of the easiest class to kill endgame, unless they are spec'd into healing, but then they have low damage and low cc.
I'll just copy-paste this here. It's unbelievable the number of Sorcerers that don't even know how their bubble functions and how it compares to mitigation. 99% of Sorcerers I've seen on forums and in games have no idea their bubble even scales with health and healing power(from Willpower and Power).

Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri
Static Barrier Math(PvP)


16k+3.5k(Static Barrier) = 19.5k w/16% mitigation = L (Light Armor)

16k+0 = 16k w/24% mitigation = M (Medium Armor)

16k+0 = 16k w/30% mitigation = H (Heavy Armor)

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20k damage(6k internal/elemental) in 20 seconds:

L = 11,760(Kinetic/Energy) + 6k(Internal/Elemental) = 1740 health remaining

M = 10,640(Kinetic/Energy) + 6k(Internal/Elemental) = -640 health remaining

H = 9,800(Kinetic/Energy) + 6k(Internal/Elemental) = 200 health remaining


40k damage(12k Internal/Elemental) in 20 seconds:

L = 23,520(Kinetic/Energy) + 12k(Internal/Elemental) = -16,020

M = 21,280(Kinetic/Energy) + 12k(Internal/Elemental) = -17,280

H = 19,600(Kinetic/Energy) + 12k(Internal/Elemental) = -15,600

Conclusion:

Now think about this for a second. When will you reasonably be taking 40k damage in 20 seconds? Keep in mind PvE DPS on a stationary target is around 1500DPS for most classes. In PvP you can reasonably expect a player to do ~1k DPS to a human target. For Sorcerers with a single bubble to have less mitigation than the Heavy armored classes with the most physical mitigation in the game two well geared players would need to beat on the Sorcerer for a full 20 seconds without interruption. If a Sorcerer manages to cast a second bubble from having one pre-cast prior to this happening then the Heavy armor is better at an astonishing 80k over 20 seconds. With this in mind it is safe to assume that Sorcerer light armor is more than made up for by Static Barrier.

Static Barrier is not overpowered. It is also not underpowered. With the above information in mind and a lack of offensive dispels in the game we can count Static Barrier as a counterbalance to Light armor. Sorcerers are no squishier than any other class because of Static Barrier and therefore extensive CC compared to other classes is not justified by their Light armor.
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri
7. A bubble that provides between 3.5-4.5k absorption. Since average health pools are on average about 16k this can be looked at as an instant 20%-30%+ health gain on a 20 second cooldown. They have light armor but this skill makes them far tankier than most DPS specced players in any situation where the players aren't receiving external heals for extended periods of time and even then it's pretty much outright better than heavy armor. This bubble is not overpowered as it's essentially a counterbalance to their light armor. What makes it over powered is the talented CC that comes with it(More on that below). [Static Barrier]

[Static Barrier Absorb = 16.4% Maximum Health + 3.27 * Healing Power] - Source: http://www.torhead.com/ability/VIBtDV/static-barrier - See "Effect Details" and scroll down to "Action"(Subeffect 1)
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Kalliadies
02.23.2012 , 08:24 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
And most classes have stuns, slows, or cc of their own.

My mar, my merc, and my sin eat sorcerers for breakfast.

Question is, why are you so bad?
My question is why doesnt a point get through your head

congradulations you can kill them, guess what so can I. But compared to other classes they still dont have a real DEFINING weakness (PvP)

Maruder - melee, sort of heal, but not really
Sniper - imobile burst, no escape, cant heal
operative, single target melee
juggernaught - melee, cant heal

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Jebi
02.23.2012 , 08:28 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalliadies View Post
My question is why doesnt a point get through your head

congradulations you can kill them, they still dont have a real weakness
I can kill them easily on any class I play.

Yet, they are overpowered and need a nerf, simply because people like you think all sorcerers are magically spec'd 38/38/38.

Yup.

PS congratulations doesn't have a d.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
I'll just copy-paste this here.
Do you even get time to play the game, considering how much time you spend crusading against sorcerer's on the forums?

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Tumri
02.23.2012 , 08:28 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Apparently sorcerer's are all spec'd 38/38/38 according to all the scrubs.

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Yes. 38/38/38 specs indeed. You could argue their base healing capabilities are being exaggerated when not using a hybrid heal spec but that's about it. Your base healing ability is the best in the game by the way. No other class can do it better without being specced.
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MacOda
02.23.2012 , 08:28 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Jebi View Post
Truth hurts, you're bad.

That is a great arugment, super baddie bad bad.