2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

In hard tunes bosses, there is exactly optimal amount of healers, tanks and dps. Now, tanks are tanking and doing as much dps as they can at same time, healers are healing their *** off and are all very low on mana, boss enrages ar 5% health left. Which dps you drop from the group?

Not to interrupt your debate..


But if a dps was underperforming, would you boot them? Or attempt to rectify the situation first?

I play with all rl friends and family, so I don't have to worry about anyone flying off the handle and booting anybody. If anything, we try and coach echother to be better.

Rather than revisitng a previous raid or farming a particular boss for another 6 or 7 raid wide upgrades, you move on to the next encounter - expecting to win and advance.

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You drop nobody. Your assuming that every player in that raid currently has best in slot gear available to him at that point in time.

Doesn't happen that way - sorry. Today's gamer expect to clear content so fast without spending adequate time to get everyone within the raid equally geared or a previous encounter farmed to the max to allow yourself the best opportunity to advance as a whole.

Rather than revisitng a previous raid or farming a particular boss for another 6 or 7 raid wide upgrades, you move on to the next encounter - expecting to win and advance.

Guilds today put in about 1/10th of the effor EQ 1 guilds put in to get an entire guild geared up enough to move on. That is a fact. the solution today is run a parse and kick the lowest member and move on.

I have had situations as an officer where a dps was performing far below par. Not minimally, as in a few percentage points, but rather half of what someone else with similar gear and fight obligations was doing. In such a case we would work with that person to try to understand what they were doing wrong and help them... But that only goes so far. You can not sacrifice the welfare of your entire raid group at the behest of someone who just isn't improving no matter how much you try to help them.

Stop talking nonsense. Answer, optimal group setup, enough geared, boss enrages 5% left everytime, which dps aint doing his job, how you single him out and what do you do to correct the issue?

Actually, those are scenarios that get explored by any good raid leader before you ever set foot into the instance. It isn't a composition issue. You brought 4 healers because you need them TO ACTUALLY HEAL. Your tanks are doing their job and adding as much dps as they can already. You have 10 DPS, but you're still wiping to the boss's enrage timer.

Which of your DPS is underperforming, and why..?

It's not a hard question, but you've yet to answer it.

There you go. He hasnt raided since EQ. Every single top raid guild I have ever seen does EXACTLY what you described above.

I totally agree.

In that case I would move them to the B or C (if I had a C) raid/ops group and see if someone could work with him/her to bring them up to par.

Also I feel it's important to rotate players in and out of raid groups, that way everyone is getting the experience and chance at loot while making the overall strength of the entire guild more solid.

Min/max'ing isn't my cup of tea. However, combat logs and parsers are a very useful tool. I think they should be implemented.

But, but... he used to raid when we were all in our diapers. That definitely makes him an expert in modern day hardcore raiding.