This game is TWO MONTHS old.

I don't know why I would ask someone since I played AoC at launch and played to level cap. I thought the game looked great and had decent questing until cap, although there were some levels where you had to grind.

I wasn't a fan of the PVP, bugs, and combo system and I played one of the weaker classes, so I get why it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. It wasn't mine either, obviously, since I quit after 3 to 4 months. I am not even sure why we are arguing. One poster said there was no content after 20 and I said he was wrong. He was wrong. I am certainly not going to defend all the other things that you are saying were wrong with the game because you are right.

Are you joking? Full queue times for Rift at initial launch were weeks because they absolutely refused to add servers. The end game was awful, the PvP was awful, and so on. Granted, the rifts were neat for a couple of days, but when you had to do them over and over and over again...

Where on earth is it the new standard for a smooth launch? Compared to SW:TOR and how "smooth" it was in terms of population and server downtime, SW:TOR was the clear victor.

Because I disagree with you On AOC. I as well played to lvl cap and for much longer then 3-4 months. My father played multiple characters to lvl cap. somewhere to 7-10 characters.

We are talking about AOC before expansion. The problem with AOC was they couldn't deliver enough content. it took them too long.

I'm not saying AOC didn't look great but when it comes to graphics lets face it, its the icing on a cake and nothing more. game play > then graphics.

F.E. the national product of nigeria could be easily doubled. Now try that with USA / Germany or Japan ... got the point?

AOC was great until level 20, when you left Tortage and found the graphics and quests to degrade rapidly, I leveled to cap and did some raids, but the killer for me was lack of community. People who say there was no content after 20 are probably those that never played it fully and just repeating forum rambles.

- Yes, do you live in Europe? A european could sing you a nice song over the chosen server-downtimes in SWTOR.
- Waitingqueues Rift max. 6h during the first weeks, and we had the same issue in SWTOR too. Where is the difference once again?
- They refused to add servers for a good reason. Want to try one of the SWTOR ghostservers now?
- Endgame? As a dedicated PvP player, the SWTOR endgame is (subjective opinion) by far the worst.

If any of you have been around launches of other MMOs (which I doubt many people here have), you come to realize that they aren't going to be perfect at launch. An MMO is a living, breathing game that evolves over time. Every single feature you want or have seen in other games will often be added in at a later date once they fix the most pressing post-launch issues. Let's look at the launch of WOW.

This game isn't WOW and it never will be. Don't expect it to have all the features you love from WOW 2 MONTHS after launch.

That excuse doesn't fly anymore. It's a product. You pay money for it. It should be pretty damn close to perfect when you buy it. If you bought a refrigerator and they said "we're adding shelves later, but you can keep your stuff cool in the mean time." If you bought an Xbox game, would you be ok with "just play it for now, we're going to add hairstyles for your character later". No. In both of those cases you would expect a complete product, not something to be finished later.

Players are fine with working out some bugs, or of course the long-term content will come. But it's the very core features that are missing... guild functionality, UI customization, mobile/web external access, etc. The bare bones skeleton shell of a game from 2006. That's what we have.

Some players simply aren't willing to wait for a game to "grow up" again, and pay for it all the while. That's the problem BioWare is facing. Especially when you look at Guild Wars 2, who just had a rousing success with their press beta and opened up signups for regular beta.

If you want to compete with the market leader, and they do, you have to be competitive in every way.




Content? Fine.

Bugs? Fine.

Featues? Lacking well-established best-of-breed features that have become standard? Not fine.

You mean the UI customization and guild functionality coming in 1.2?

You mean the UI customization and guild functionality coming in 1.2?