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This game is TWO MONTHS old.

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RudeDog
02.23.2012 , 10:32 AM | #451
Quote: Originally Posted by JHoltJHolt View Post
Do What? Should this person even be talking? I don't see how his "facts" are working out. I thought I was buying a computer game, not a car.... or did I miss something? Please, someone help explain this to me, I'm so confused right now, I may need to go lay down.
If you cannot understand the analogy I would suggest some remedial reading comprehension courses. Good luck in all your future endeavors...

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Knewt
02.23.2012 , 10:32 AM | #452
Quote: Originally Posted by LucisAbyssus View Post
SW:TOR took around 80 million. WoW took around 63 million to develop initially. SW:TOR launched with more content and broke the world record for voice acting in entertainment history with over 500,000 lines of dialogue. If you don't really know how large that is, a game like Dragon Age has an average of 50-60 thousand lines of dialogue.
Where are you getting the $80 million figure from? Almost all estimates peg SWTOR development costs at $200-$300 million.

The voice acting is nice and definitely a step forward in story presentation for a MMO. However, it also has a major downside. Due to the story being king in this MMO, the game does not play like a MMO. It plays more like a single player game with co-op. Nobody will call ME3 a MMO, but it will feel very similar to SWTOR in how the story drives the game and you can play with other people via co-op.

Quote: Originally Posted by LucisAbyssus View Post
You don't like the game? Get off the forums, stop paying for it, cancel your subscription. Nothing you say in this post has been constructive, it's just pointing out "obvious travesties" you tend to dislike about the game in its current state. Just because you've "played a lot of MMO's" doesn't mean you're a professional in the business. Most of us have played lots of MMO's too, you're not a special snowflake that knows everything.

"It's now as if every patch, you already know for sure something will be wrong with the game."

Insisting that 1.1.3/1.1.4 is enough data to conclude such an outlandish blanket statement.

MFW ->
This is the type of statement that needs to end around here. It doesn't do anything good and only inflames the passions more. It's trolling and really needs to stop.

Most of the us who complain about missing features or end game content actually like to play TOR. We want to make the game better. We want TOR to last a long time and continue the story.
Ray Muzyka: "When you deliver a game, and you deliver it for a player, you have to capture what they think is the possibility space."

Ray, you failed to deliver my possibility space.

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Zhit
02.23.2012 , 10:36 AM | #453
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You don't like the game? Get off the forums, stop paying for it, cancel your subscription.
It is great that some people still enjoy the game! For lots of folks--reading the forums is much, much more fun than TOR. There is a ray of sunshine though--ME3 is right around the corner...

Plus, BW gave time credits to a massive number players that unsubscribed. Most had no idea they got the time--but those that did I think skipped the game and went straight to the forums. Hopefully when they give all the folks that unsubscribed some more game time for the next shareholder subscription count they will allow them to play, but block forum posting rights.
Why no dual spec? Are dailies only for the DPS classes?
Why do folks not want addons because "they play the game for you", yet don't say a thing about companions.

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FiveDeadlyVenoms
02.23.2012 , 10:36 AM | #454
Quote: Originally Posted by LucisAbyssus View Post
It's their money, and they want to complain now!
because $15 is a lot of money???????

This game is already 20 times better then galaxies was. if I remember correctly Sony almost started a revolution on their forums when they decided to change elements in their game.

Its more expensive to go to the movies for 2 people then it is to Play TOR, and then you'll be lucky if the movie doesn't suck. Forget about a family of 4.

how many MMO's are out where you can play in some stupid fantasy world?


what people don't realize is that MMO's are one of the hardest things to make, NOTHING IS GUARANTEED.

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LucisAbyssus
02.23.2012 , 10:40 AM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by Knewt View Post
Where are you getting the $80 million figure from? Almost all estimates peg SWTOR development costs at $200-$300 million.

The voice acting is nice and definitely a step forward in story presentation for a MMO. However, it also has a major downside. Due to the story being king in this MMO, the game does not play like a MMO. It plays more like a single player game with co-op. Nobody will call ME3 a MMO, but it will feel very similar to SWTOR in how the story drives the game and you can play with other people via co-op.


This is the type of statement that needs to end around here. It doesn't do anything good and only inflames the passions more. It's trolling and really needs to stop.

Most of the us who complain about missing features or end game content actually like to play TOR. We want to make the game better. We want TOR to last a long time and continue the story.
Actually, the question is, "where are you getting your 200-300 million figure from?" The origination of those figures came from EA Louse, which was not only a bunk source that wanted to douse EA/Bioware in fire for laying him off, but proven to be just that. The 80 million dollar figure is an accurate estimation from an analyst named Michael Pachter.

His estimation just about hits the mark with the EA statement in one of their earlier earnings calls that said they would only need around 1.5 million subscribers to earn their investment back. The already given 1.7 million subscribers, plus 2 million copies of the game sold give them their investment and then some back.

Most of the people complaining about this game in this thread don't like SW:TOR at all. It's like that in almost every thread which they present.

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LucisAbyssus
02.23.2012 , 10:48 AM | #456
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhit View Post
It is great that some people still enjoy the game! For lots of folks--reading the forums is much, much more fun than TOR. There is a ray of sunshine though--ME3 is right around the corner...

Plus, BW gave time credits to a massive number players that unsubscribed. Most had no idea they got the time--but those that did I think skipped the game and went straight to the forums. Hopefully when they give all the folks that unsubscribed some more game time for the next shareholder subscription count they will allow them to play, but block forum posting rights.
No, no they didn't. Unless this was just a hilarious joke. If that's the case, I approve.

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Knewt
02.23.2012 , 10:48 AM | #457
I see you conveniently ignored my comment on how you are trolling people.

Quote: Originally Posted by LucisAbyssus View Post
Actually, the question is, "where are you getting your 200-300 million figure from?" The origination of those figures came from EA Louse, which was not only a bunk source that wanted to douse EA/Bioware in fire for laying him off, but proven to be just that. The 80 million dollar figure is an accurate estimation from an analyst named Michael Pachter.

His estimation just about hits the mark with the EA statement in one of their earlier earnings calls that said they would only need around 1.5 million subscribers to earn their investment back. The already given 1.7 million subscribers, plus 2 million copies of the game sold give them their investment and then some back.

Most of the people complaining about this game in this thread don't like SW:TOR at all. It's like that in almost every thread which they present.
I see your single analyst and raise you an article in the LA Times from January 20th:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/01/star-wars-old-republic-cost.html


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EA declined to comment on the amount it spent to create The Old Republic. That hasn't stopped Wall Street analysts from pegging the game's production costs at $150 million to $200 million or more, a figure that people knowledgeable with the game's budget don't dispute.
And I wouldn't discount the EA Louse blog so quickly. Some of his blog statements ring eerily true now. He is angry about being fired. He probably exaggerated some things, but there is probably a huge amount of truth in his blog postings.

Just because you don't like the opinion doesn't mean it isn't true.
Ray Muzyka: "When you deliver a game, and you deliver it for a player, you have to capture what they think is the possibility space."

Ray, you failed to deliver my possibility space.

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RudeDog
02.23.2012 , 10:50 AM | #458
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveDeadlyVenoms View Post
Not entirely untrue. Conan sucked as soon as you got out of tortage. grinding was terrible in that game. Was released way too early and had many glitches and bugs which players exploited
AOC had content (i.e. quests all the way to the level cap). If the poster had said he didn't like the quests or didn't have anything to do at cap he would have been right, but saying there was no content after 20 is just false.

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LucisAbyssus
02.23.2012 , 10:51 AM | #459
Quote: Originally Posted by Knewt View Post
I see you conveniently ignored my comment on how you are trolling people.


I see your single analyst and raise you an article in the LA Times from January 20th:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/01/star-wars-old-republic-cost.html




And I wouldn't discount the EA Louse blog so quickly. Some of his blog statements ring eerily true now. He is angry about being fired. He probably exaggerated some things, but there is probably a huge amount of truth in his blog postings.

Just because you don't like the opinion doesn't mean it isn't true.
Did you seriously just offer a news paper over a professional Analyst AND EA Board? The people who invested the money in this game? Lol. Why are you trying to dispute it? EA already hit their needed mark to make a profit off of this game. I would discount it, as he himself did in his blog.

That's because I'm not trolling people. If these people you speak of cared at all about the game, they would do something more constructive than post "this game is failing and they need to do something fast!".

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Hecantonchire
02.23.2012 , 10:53 AM | #460
I can't wait for SWTOR to be 1 year old. The games only one year old give them some time, blah, blah, blah.

I expected this game to be fairly on par with other games of the genre and period. I understand comparisons with other industries don't always hold water but they make sense
to me. Such as if a new car were not working ppl would be upset. It is retarded imo to compare SWTOR to anything other than MMO's of this time period plus or minus 1 year. I fully understand that there are copyrights for coding such that new developers have to create the same code from scratch but they have employees who have done it before.

If I designed an airplane out of wood and it crashed I don't think anyone would say, "Well the Hindenburg crashed give it some time." That being said, the only complaint I have with SWTOR is a lack of players on my server. Everything else is fine. I just can't stand the we have to wait mentality and comparing SWTOR to ATARI 2600 games to convince others how good it is.
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