2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

Exept you cant get generally much better raid groups to actually down harder content which aint possible now since you cant tell whos bad and whos not.

this is where i think a lot of people are getting scared. You do not necessarily have to replace those people. If you had combat logs you could look at their dmg and see what they are doing wrong and where they can improve.

I don't know why everyone assumes MMOs are an elitest, cut-throat environment. Its about helping others and others helping you. You have the most control over the players you surround yourself with.

Again, this is completely and utterly wrong. The more times you write this, the more chance there is of some bioware dev/game designer actually reading it, laughing out loud and deciding not to include it and instead buying more popcorn.

Ok, so hwo you can tell if your teammate is doing 1k or 10k dps without meters?

It's quite convenient how they have been mum about the issue since casually mentioning that it will be added in some distant patch in the "near" future.

IMO we're not going to see a combat log any time soon because it will allow players to finally number crunch and from the data we will gather, we're soon going to find out that in most PvE fights, ranged is much more useful than melee for obvious reasons, and that certain classes are constantly on top of the DPS chart (Sorcs/Sages, BH/Troopers, Snipers, and Marauders).

A combat log is simply not good for BW right now as players will demand more tweaks and fixes from the personal and anecdotal data they will be gathering.

(I'm all for a combat log since I love numbers and I find it rather pathetic that a functionality which has been present since Ultima Online is not present in an MMO that cost more than your average Hollywood blockbuster.

If the utopian world you descibe ever appears, I'll happily live there.
However, in my experince of MMO raiding and combat logs, it does not tun into a how can we help him scenario, it instead turns into a blame game and kick them out.

Logs make the game less fun, you get forced into a build, into a rotation and into doing things in a way you might not want to, and as someone who has gone from serious player to casual, the casual way where I choose how to play is much more fun.

And I can't just not have them if I don't want, as it will eventually become mandatory, as it did in pandaville.

Thats not true, HC Ragnaros in Cata is most brutal fight in MMORPG history. HC lich king when it mattered, HC firefighter, yogg with 0 guardians etc comes to mind as fights that no casual or bad players completed. From earier times, 4hm, C'thun, Muru prenerf were quite challenging also. None of these fights cant be done in ToR on any timeframe without combat logs.

Put him against a mob with 10k hp. If he downs it in 1 second he's good. If he downs it in 10, he's not.

Right. Thats obviousl same thing as keeping steady dps on encounters that requires moving, situational awarness and max dps for minutes.

I raided a lot including some hardest fights possible and when we breezed NM modes in an evening on this game, i had no idea how other people were hanging on DPS wise, neither did anyone else.