Hybrid Sorcerer/Sage Utility is OP in PvP

I've never seen any other class get close to 1 million damage on void star, last time I checked it's pretty fair to say that the class that does the most AoE damage... has the best AoE damage.


Not to mention, this thread is clearly about hybrid sorcerers that get access to the absurd AoE.

Huh ? Did i say nerf sorcs ? Good luck getting words on my mouth i didn't say.

And no, 120k isn't something you do every fight, it's every close match or length match (15 minutes huttball, voidstar). So you are just pulling out a number (which also includes selfheals, rakata etc, which is more than 50% of that healing) outta your ***. Oh man how clueless you are, gotta love doubling your damage, something i can't do with some sage with alive braincells. Next.

Even if that was the cause, tanks wouldn't whine, because if they parry or dodge, we don't do our elemental damage. :P

People do a lot more than 30% unmitigated damage. In my calculations I was being overly generous so that responses like yours wouldn't criticize me for biased calculations. If anything you're the one being biased claiming that you only have ONE DoT that is internal damage when in fact Death Field, Crushing Darkness(your highest DPCT ability), and Affliction are all internal. Even a hybrid spec Sorcerer's damage will have a large portion unmitigated.

Which big instant heal would that be then ? As a Scrapper Scoundrel I certainly have no such talent. What I do have are 'Underworld Medicine' and 'Kolto Pack'. Both have casting times, both require me to stand still, in plain sight for all to see.

In fact, never mind being interrupted, I have been outright killed whilst tying to use one of those in a warzone.

Now if I were specced as a Sawbones, you might have a point (and even then thats a slow heal) but you need to be more specific. The reality is that 2 out of the 3 skill tree variants of Scoundrels cannot 'insta-heal' or heal on the move. (with probably the eception being the very minimal slow heal coming from Pugnacity bonus in the Scrapper tree.)

As to my points about warzones overloaded with sorcerors. Well yes, did I make any mention of other ranged classes, no.

Do you have the maths to demonstrate how other ranged classes can focus kill targets much faster AND survive better as a group, I don't know.

But well, I have never seen a warzone with 5 to 7 bounty hunters or Imperial Snipers in it, that's for sure. But, as with today, the warzones have been dominated by the Imps team regularly have 6 to 7 sorcerors, with all that entails as regards both ranged capability, slows, and healing both on themselves and their fellow sorcerors.....simple as that really.

With this many sorcerors, there really is no easy answer

Your calculations involved no DPS rotations or nothing to statistically back it up. It could very well have been %5, 10%, 60% or 90%, but you chose a number that backed up your argument. Hence why it's a fallacy

OK. Deadly Saber + Rupture. Maybe I get 2-3 real melee attacks in between. I repeat this till I kill you. 80% of my damage was internal.

That's a number that's twisted to back my argument.

Claiming situational changes in someone's rotation in your argument's favor is a bit stupid when I could just as easily do the same but with more success considering armor ignoring damage is typically on a CD. In a situation against a kiter anyone will be using their longer CD armor ignoring abilities more.

Your refusal to accept the fact that literally every common spec has at least 30% unmitigated damage is just stubbornness when in fact that's the absolute most generous unmitigated damage value I could use. I could have easily claimed Marauders do most of their damage through DoTs when against Sorcerers. I could have even more easily claimed that Arsenal spec Mercs have 55% armor penetration and therefore used a 55% unmitigated damage value.

They only nerf classes that are hardly played unfortunately

it basically comes down to the fact that most of the devs liked imp\. Before any thing gets done most will be BM and its to late for even PVP

Animation times between a Sorc and Sage need to be addressed! Sage has 0.8 lag from project than the instance cast on a Sorc. TK Wave isn't working properly for the Sage at all with all three points in it. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=124285 Bioware still isn't addressing the problem.

When these issues get fixed then everyone in this thread can talk!