Hybrid Sorcerer/Sage Utility is OP in PvP

Guioki, I have reviewed YOUR notes you added to the OPs posted and changed them as necessary.



If you're going to criticize the OP for attaching opinions onto facts then you need to excluse yours as well.

I'm a Gunslinger and I have 16k unbuffed HP in full Champion minus 2 peices. Your information is wrong.

Please also note that this is not just an immobilize, but a MEZMERIZE type of ability which prevents all actions by the target until it is broken. Please also note that Sorcerers are the only class in the game to get a Polymorph type of ability that works on players in PvP combat on top of their numerous other CCs.

Just one note, all blinds are mezzes.

Once again you're back to your math with bubble + light armor = greater than other armor. Stop and listen, bubble can be cast on others and we don't have defensive cooldowns. So math this out for me, bubble + light armor vs bubble + not light armor + defensive cooldowns. Double bubble? You can also have that. If we're going to pick whatever we want out of arguments, there's nothing stopping a double bubble on you.

Being able to cast it on others isn't a disadvantage. It also doesn't mean you just assume everyone has a bubble either. A Sorc can keep a bubble up 100% of the time with minimal effort. Other classes cannot have a bubble up 100% of the time unless they have a pocket Sorc. If you count bubble being active for others you might as well substitute the external bubble with an external heal for the Sorc to balance it out. This is class damage mitigation without external help I'm talking about and you can't use external bubbles in such a calculation. You can argue other classes have defensive abilities but the majority of them are on long(3m) cooldowns and can't be relied upon to be up all the time like Sorcerer bubble.

The 8% figure is under ideal conditions (standing still, blasting away) from v2 page 81 I believe. The at most, was your own figure from who knows where. Ideal conditions for best dps require you not to sit on wrath procs, so when the condition is not ideal anymore and you're on the run what do you use? Deathfield? Should have grabbed that bonus at the top of the madness tree. DoTs? Should have grabbed those bonuses at the top of the madness tree. Shock? Ok, you still get the same damage from there. If you're forced to run, a CC hybrid is going to lose more damage than 13/28 or full madness would if they're forced to run. 8% at least dps loss is what you were looking for.

This is your assumption. The 23/18 hybrid actually gets a lot of damage from Wrath Proc+CL as well as instant-cast CL procs. You could argue a 13/28 hybrid is better for 100% on the move damage but that's unrealistic. A Sorcerer kiting will typically still be casting the majority of the time while using CCs and Force Sprint to create distance repeatedly.

6 seconds on blinds as opposed to 10 for Whirlwind.

Awful formatting aside, you're a Gunslinger. Your healthpool is supposed to be bigger. In full BM gear, as a Sorcerer, you have about 16.5k buffed. Assuming you use both PvP relics.

Either way, less HP just emphasizes the point further by making that 2.7-3.5k a bigger percentage of the Sorcerer's HP. The point is that the bubble can give the Sorcerer 15-25% HP every 20 seconds instantly.

Now you know better than that, your own blind is 8 seconds and AoE. Not to mention, if I happen to perfectly time a hit at the end of my 8 second mez to turn it into a 2 second stun your resolve bar is filled completely, so why wouldn't I just use my 4 second stun at the end like you could?

you sem to miss that if a sorc has generally less hp than every other class the first bubble bring hp into allignment. add in the fact that sorcs defensive is well.. the bubble and only the bubble compared to every other class its a mute argument.

give me warriors 99% dmg reduction and you can have my bubble. i could also add that if you cant kill a sorc in 20seconds your really are very very bad