People who ninja for their companions

The only straw man is your constant defense of your need to need for gear for companions.
Every excuse you make is a straw man...

Companions do not help you in any group content where you would get the gear you need for them.
That alone ends all your pathetic selfish arguments.
Oh and apparently the DEV's agree and will be taking actions to not allow your type of needing for companion actions.

People will never get a consensus on this topic.

Either Bioware implements a system that prevents it, or they continue to let groups handle it.

Both options will leave some happy and some unhappy...make the best out of it.

In my opinion the picture you see at log in, takes priority when in game (they are the constants). Companions are secondary to that character (they are the variables).

If everyone takes the same stance, our constants get the best loot when grouped, and if no constants need the loot for an upgrade, then the variables get a shot.

Equal for all.

Some may say rolling on everything regardless is equal for all. *shrug*

Not everyone will agree and not everyone has to. Until a mechanism is possibly put in place to verify BW's stance, all we have is communication before you take the time to be grouped.

Even with communication you will always have liars who say one thing and act oppositely or even the case of "accidental" looting.

Its just a game. Punch your chair, have a beer (for those over 21 in the USA!) take a stroll outside, and then come back to play.

Not really worth 90+ pages of debate.

That means I need a group of players to get the gear I need for my companions.

What's your problem then?


Where did you read that? I read one dev inferring that he might not thinks it's right. I don't think he ever inferred that was the feeling of all devs. Nor did he ever say they would take any steps. He said "he'd see about putting it into the works".

Can you link me to your version please?

Only one problem with that. To get your 'constant' to the state of play it is at in the game, required the companions?

Which, muddies the waters a bit.

You do realize you just enforced my point. It's selfish and not looking to help everyone get an equal opportunity. I accept that every situation is different. But, the problem lies with those who are ninja'ing by waiting to see what others do. If you want to click NEED before everyone else, then at least they have a heads up on what you're doing.

But, don't click NEED after everyone else and claim it's "for my companion", or "I need the money". That's taking advantage of the situation and why so many hate the system.

Player character need should always trump companion character need. Since companions are not as effective as players, a piece of equipment on a companion is not granting as much benefit as it would on a player character. Therefore, rolling "Need" for a companion is a devaluation of the item.

I've known a handful of people who say they need something for their companion, and it ends up on their 2nd or 3rd alt instead.


Unfortunately it's the way of the internet and no it's not my way of doing things or really any of my guildies, but it happens daily. If this is new for some, that people "ninja" items and then taunt you about it, start getting used to it now or just quit playing. It's been happening for years and it won't change anytime soon.

Your argument breaks down right there I'm afraid. Everyone does get an equal opportunity. When we kill the boss and get to the loot. Each player has an 'equal' opportunity to roll. I am in no way effecting that.

Conversely, the opposite is true. You are trying to effect it. You are saying because you decided to roll greed/pass I have to do the same, which is you trying to tell me what to do. Selfish?

It is not Ninja'ing. It never was. If you roll pass and someone else then rolls need, they win. You offered them that choice. You also had the choice to roll need and be in with a chance of winning.

That the other player rolled need and won, is not ninja'ing.

You have moved onto a completely different topic. No-one to date, to my knowledge, has raised the issue of someone 'physically waiting' to see what you do, before they roll.

Personally, I don't care what others roll. My choice is dependent on whether I need the item. If I do, I roll need, if not I pass or greed.


There are 2 parts to this. 1. The player has the choice, by way of killing the boss, to roll whatever they like. 2. You also have the choice, and if you selected to pass or greed, then you are relinquishing all claim to 'need' and thereby saying 'if you need it, take it'.

People can play philosopher as much as they want about whats the most "fair", but I could care less.

If I'm in a group, my opinion matters just like everyone else. If people cannot come up with a meeting of the minds, they shouldn't group together. I choose to play with people who agree with me on the "loot for companion being greed" issue, for the same reasons I spend any other social time with people who tend to have similar beliefs and ideas of whats fair and enjoyable.

What I think is dishonest, is the refusing to acknowledge that rolling need for companions is going against the grain, and not speaking up about their intentions ahead of time because they either feel their way is more righteous to begin with, or because they're worried that they will not be invited because of it.

And I'll go ahead and end my usual note, thankfully this is just a hot issue on the forums, and not a real problem within the game.

I'm sorry, this is just your opinion, it is not fact. We're debating in facts here.