People leaving wz is now out of control.

i also like how people call quitters griefers.

lets examine why the ones who stick around call them that...

quitters are leaving losing matchs, leaving the people who stick around to be run over without resistance. hence they are griefers, yes?

hmmm, seems to be a logical fallacy somewhere in there...

a) the match starts. the quitters see the match going south and turning into a loss.
b) the quitters leave, the ones who remain get run over even more easily than they already were.
c) the match is lost and the ones who were left behind are angry.

if the match was going well, the quitters wouldn't be leaving. they are only leaving when the match turns into a lost cause.

which means, the quitters aren't really griefers. all the people complaining about the quitters are just pissed that they're losing all the time, and looking for a scape goat to pass the blame to, instead of manning up and learning the tricks to winning more often.

bottom line, the quitters are not the reason the ones staying behind are losing all the time, as the matches they leave are already lost before they even leave. if anything, the quitters are just speeding things up, so both you and them waste less time in lost causes. adding a debuff penalty isn't going to do anything to make things better because the reason you lose has nothing to do with the quitters.

Your logic is half-true.

A.) People see a match going south so instead of trying to turn it around, they quit.

That's what i've observed a lot of times, and half the time a better player comes in and we win the match. (If just one person quits)

Yet you agree that people quitting and causing those who stay losses results in anger, how is that not greifing other players?

Played an Alderann match yesterday. Around 5-6 of our side quit. One straight away because people ignored him, 2 soon after when the imps held 2 turrets, 2 a bit later when they held 3 turrets (surprise - 3 men down and all).

So, once all the guys that didn't want to put up with my piss-poor playing and medal farming were gone, the new joiners came in, all the turrets went green and we won.

Moral of the story?
Us bads got lucky and leached off of 6 people. HOORAY FOR WELFARE!!!1!!111one!!11! WINNING!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!

Played an Alderann match yesterday. Around 5-6 of our side quit. One straight away because people ignored him, 2 soon after when the imps held 2 turrets, 2 a bit later when they held 3 turrets (surprise - 3 men down and all).

So, once all the bads were gone, the new joiners came in, all the turrets went green and we won.

Moral of the story?
Those who won't stay, won't ever learn how to survive when the cards are stacked against them nor how to turn around a losing game when the opportunity comes. In short, they will always be bads.

That's why I say if people want to get out of a warzone, just let them go, don't try and force them to stay because they will not be in the mood to fight for the team. At least with new comers you have a 50/50 shot at them willing to participate.

I don´t mind if people quits the battle when someone takes his place. The problem is that last Sunday I tried to PvP three times in a row and for three times the game ended because there were not enough players.

When the empire was losing, empire players quit. When republic was loosing, republic players quit. In the end some players could not play because some players keep getting out. After three times I decided to do something else.

The best way to avoid a PvP player to quit is to forbid him to join another pvp fight, even if this is only for 2 pvp battles time (30-40min). Any other punishment is void.

People have a right to be upset when others leave, but they shouldn't take it out on the players, the target of their animus should be Bioware and all the reasons in the game that encourage people to leave. We don't need to punish other players, Bioware needs to change the system so that leaving is not beneficial. And I think they are taking steps in that direction in 1.2 from what I've read.

Your logic is half-true.

A.) People see a match going south so instead of trying to turn it around, they quit.

That's what i've observed a lot of times, and half the time a better player comes in and we win the match. (If just one person quits)

Yet you agree that people quitting and causing those who stay losses results in anger, how is that not greifing other players?