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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Flarenza
02.20.2012 , 06:32 PM | #221
It's kind of funny, but what people don't seem to realize, is that against any form of DoT damage, the correctly specced sorc actually takes LESS damage than any other class even tanks. And that on top of having the only buff in the game that reduced elemental/internal damage, of which a majority of dots are.

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Zombifikation
02.20.2012 , 06:44 PM | #222
I really don't think any of the classes are broken. If you have 6+ of any one class in a wz it will seem unbalanced. I do think sorcs need a bit of fine tuning, but a full round with the nerf bat. Bhs are fine, but it think the tracer spam needs to be addressed to make arsenal mercs more versatile and less reliant on that.
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Squatdog_nz
02.20.2012 , 06:57 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
yes because whilst trying to mitigate some of 8k burst damage im taking WHISLT getting up of the floor out of a stun im able to cast a dot on a target behind me.. but then scoundrels totally dont have several stuns to prevent you from doting them before they vanish again.. yeh ok. lets ignore your idiotic post
as once again you prove that most forum posters have no clue what they are on about
A 1.5 second knock-down followed by a whopping 4 second stun?

Not to mention that the typical hybrid Sorc shield will eat a good 3k+ of that burst, then immediately be re-applied when the stun wears off.

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Viree
02.20.2012 , 07:44 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by MFPRego View Post
What is your server? It looks like is the exception!!!! Where the Sith and Republic are balanced!!!!! Please do tell me, i want to create a char in your server!!!
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GrandMike
02.20.2012 , 07:52 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Viree View Post
Actually had you looked at the image in my post above yours you would see it probably is possible.
http://i.imgur.com/qyO7f.png

I was at 370k damage and 100k heals. I wasn't even trying to heal, that was mostly from bubbles. The point isn't that Sorcerers are overpowered though, they're fine, it's just that other people are horrible. The only reason I did so well in that round was because of the 650k heals guy who kept the entire team alive, alongside the other team being really hesitant and badly coordinated; I was barely focused, never died, so I just stood there spamming aoes and dots/force lightning. People then look at the figures and go... aha! OP! But seriously, just no.

Really, this guy sums up my thoughts about the whole thing;
LIES! Everyones a pro and plays the best!

Letting sorc/sage free cast is part of their superior tactics that your simple mind cant grasp it!

Oh and did someone mentioned that 1-49 doesnt matter in the slightest? Well now you know (not that it goes for quoted post, but for general understanding).

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Dulwaithe
02.20.2012 , 10:29 PM | #226
I only rad about half the thread, but wanted to correct a major misconception about armor.

Armor helps against sorc's. It reduces weapon, kinetic, and energy damage. Most of the attacks a sorc/sage uses are kinetic or energy attacks. Sure, it might not help you as much as it would against a sharpshooter or something, but it's far from useless.

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JAVAjedi
02.21.2012 , 08:59 AM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Dulwaithe View Post
I only rad about half the thread, but wanted to correct a major misconception about armor.

Armor helps against sorc's. It reduces weapon, kinetic, and energy damage. Most of the attacks a sorc/sage uses are kinetic or energy attacks. Sure, it might not help you as much as it would against a sharpshooter or something, but it's far from useless.
This! And guess what? Sorcs don't have heavy armor, and they don't have extremes about of endurance! In a lv 50 wz, a sorc may have 15k health at the ABSOLUTE MOST with full champ gear - your average sorc may have around 12k (if that!). Guess what? No health + no armor = squishy! So what are you guys complaining about? That they use static barrier so you can't 3-shot them by spamming tracer missiles or grav rounds? Really?
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biowareftw
02.21.2012 , 09:11 AM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by JAVAjedi View Post
This! And guess what? Sorcs don't have heavy armor, and they don't have extremes about of endurance! In a lv 50 wz, a sorc may have 15k health at the ABSOLUTE MOST with full champ gear - your average sorc may have around 12k (if that!). Guess what? No health + no armor = squishy! So what are you guys complaining about? That they use static barrier so you can't 3-shot them by spamming tracer missiles or grav rounds? Really?
The only dps class that has more health then others is...

Classes with an endurance talent, which people usually skip anyways for dmg. The stam is the same on all dps gear.

Armor means jack because most pvp specs have dmg that negates armor...I kill sent/marauders just as fast when they don't have rebuke up.

A dps guardian/juggernaut is the "squishiest class in this game". Outside of their 3 min cooldown they can die in seconds. They wear heavy armor. I kill them on my marauder/sent in seconds...

A hybrid spec sage/sorc is the most non squishy class in this game. The only people who would make this claim never played another class. The "less health" comment is just silly. This isn't vanilla WoW where you have "spirit" on your gear instead of stamina.

As far as talking about merc/commandos? Why would you belittle the easiest playstyle in the game when you play the second easiest class in the game...

Everyone who plays another class and has tried merc/commando/sage/sorc thinks both your AC's are a joke and that they were put in the game so that bad players could compete in pvp.

BTW merc/commando isn't OP. Hybrid specced sorc/sage is. At least have some clue what you are talking about before you call the hardest to kill (not that it can't be done) or hardest dps class to focus down "squishy".

They could take away the sprint and the class would still not be "squishy". They would just be focus fired easier...
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me_unknown
02.21.2012 , 09:12 AM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by JAVAjedi View Post
This! And guess what? Sorcs don't have heavy armor, and they don't have extremes about of endurance! In a lv 50 wz, a sorc may have 15k health at the ABSOLUTE MOST with full champ gear - your average sorc may have around 12k (if that!). Guess what? No health + no armor = squishy! So what are you guys complaining about? That they use static barrier so you can't 3-shot them by spamming tracer missiles or grav rounds? Really?
no they are complaining about a calss that if it stands still dies in seconds but must use "faceroll" to kite and cc others to survive long enough to kill them with the LOWEST damage of all classes.

they say taht's why it is the easiest class.

actually i think the "easiest" is because in a pug WZ it is easy to earn medals because like any range class you can stand aside spamming, while the usual pug morons never decide to drag you into the zerg nor come to you.

yes, sage is easiest to be ignored by fools. => faceroll class

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savionen
02.21.2012 , 09:15 AM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by JAVAjedi View Post
This! And guess what? Sorcs don't have heavy armor, and they don't have extremes about of endurance! In a lv 50 wz, a sorc may have 15k health at the ABSOLUTE MOST with full champ gear - your average sorc may have around 12k (if that!). Guess what? No health + no armor = squishy! So what are you guys complaining about? That they use static barrier so you can't 3-shot them by spamming tracer missiles or grav rounds? Really?
Sage/Sorc can still have 17k~ hp just like everyone else. The only ones that have more than 17k-ish are people in full-tank gear.

Light Armor - 17-20%
Medium Armor - 22-25%
Heavy Armor - 27-29%

It's not a huge difference, really. Static Barrier blocks 3500 damage every 20 seconds, thats a lot more than 10% kinetic/energy damage reduction.