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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Monorojo
02.20.2012 , 09:51 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I'm already seeing "LF Tank for Heroic X, must be geared, quick good run". Gotta love a ladder run gear progressions system when the communities don't let people progress up it.
Very good point. I already see some of those that are against a DPS meter due to elitist reasoning also against Cross Server LFG. A lack of a "Dungeon Finder" causes more elitism on any one server than a dps meter would ever cause. The gear requirement for most groups now are you have to have out-geared the place to get in our group because we want an easy run for the daily.

A lack of a LFG will hurt newcomers more than veterans who are already established in their guilds and run dungeons with their buddies. It also hurts casual players more than hardcore.

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Emeda
02.20.2012 , 09:53 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.
My guess is that there will be 100 threads about afker bots and ninjas the first week after they add a LFG. They all will be telling Bioware to fix it asap.

How many of those threads do you see pop up now? Not many but you will when LFG comes around.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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Emeda
02.20.2012 , 10:01 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by romandaemon View Post
That is exactly what i dont understand......exactly HOW will it kill the community? Not being able to add to your ignore list? Why does it matter...I simply don't understand how spamming General chat is a better community then just clicking a button and going to smash things into oblivion for fun....
Because the servers can not police themselves. In a LFG system the bad player that afks or ninjas can continue to keep doing it. Without a LFG auto invite system the player that does this will get the reputatation and after a while will not get invited to any groups because of what he did.

What it also adds is the people who will begin ninjaing stuff because they got stuff ninjaed from them.

There is no good that comes from a auto invite LFG system its just Bioware asking for 10x more problems then they already have with the game if they add it. If they do add it then you both deserve what you get.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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Touchbass
02.20.2012 , 10:05 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
My guess is that there will be 100 threads about afker bots and ninjas the first week after they add a LFG. They all will be telling Bioware to fix it asap.

How many of those threads do you see pop up now? Not many but you will when LFG comes around.
Just checked the WoW boards, nope, no posts about bots in the LFD. Invalid complaint is invalid
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Chessrook
02.20.2012 , 10:06 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Just checked the WoW boards, nope, no posts about bots in the LFD. Invalid complaint is invalid
Something exists for long enough people might get used to it. How many ninjaing posts do you see in general? Or posts about griefers or campers or so on?

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Orisai
02.20.2012 , 10:07 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
Just wait till we start seeing the main bodies of raid guilds recruiting only their friends or geared referrals that've applied on their guild forum, gone through whatever interview process the guild administrative body thinks is good and calling for pugs in general gets you pilloried for a half hour.

Ahh, the good* ol' days.


*: terrible
Applying for a guild was way harder than applying for a B1-B2 US visa lol.
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Touchbass
02.20.2012 , 10:08 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Because the servers can not police themselves. In a LFG system the bad player that afks or ninjas can continue to keep doing it. Without a LFG auto invite system the player that does this will get the reputatation and after a while will not get invited to any groups because of what he did.
What it also adds is the people who will begin ninjaing stuff because they got stuff ninjaed from them.

There is no good that comes from a auto invite LFG system its just Bioware asking for 10x more problems then they already have with the game if they add it. If they do add it then you both deserve what you get.
That's not true. I was in fleet respeccing heals a few weeks agoand I noticed a guy literally going off his handle in fleet with terrible insults towards jews and other races. I've been keeping my eye on this level 50 player (i'm withholding his name), I often /who him every now and then and he still finds his way into groups.

You cannot stop people from finding groups if they aer bad, rude, or ignorant. sorry. All you can do is block them guilds but that isn't an issue with the X-LFD.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Matte_Black
02.20.2012 , 10:09 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by romandaemon View Post
That is exactly what i dont understand......exactly HOW will it kill the community? Not being able to add to your ignore list? Why does it matter...I simply don't understand how spamming General chat is a better community then just clicking a button and going to smash things into oblivion for fun....
I can grant you that there is very little community developed as of yet but, generally speaking, the character of what does exist is pretty good. While there are many complaints about the game, there is a reasonably low level of complaining about player behavior. Many view the cross-server features as degrading the quality and nature of community which is pretty much an impediment to the chance of it flourishing.
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Touchbass
02.20.2012 , 10:09 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Chessrook View Post
Something exists for long enough people might get used to it. How many ninjaing posts do you see in general? Or posts about griefers or campers or so on?
The idea of a bot in a LFD doesn't make sense. It was a silly nosense point to bring it up.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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TJHarmon
02.20.2012 , 10:10 PM | #20
I don't care or believe about that whole "it killed the community" ****. I don't want it because I have absolutely no interest in playing with someone who I will NEVER *********** see or play with again. If my friends aren't on, I want to play with potential new friends/guildies, not some 15 year old ******* who are gonna come in and need on every last piece of gear for every single one of their companions or their "vendor set".