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Legacy surnames do not make sense


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johnduane
02.20.2012 , 07:39 PM | #51
I'm surprised no one mentioned that this idea, of characters being related and having family ties, etc. came directly from John Smedley. Yep, the genius who was in charge of Galaxies and the NGE. This was in a 'state of the game' address he posted. I think it will probably work out just like the NGE, but hey, I'm only 1 voice.

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Rafkin
02.20.2012 , 07:46 PM | #52
Same surname for all your toons is one of many "features" that makes me wonder if these devs ever played an mmo before.

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Tairak
02.20.2012 , 07:51 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Hawtmama View Post
The only thing that seems weird to me about the legacy names is that both your darkside and lightside characters have the same one. Why would my utterly evil character share the name of my goody two shoes one? They should split it darkside only/lightside only for names perhaps.
Darth Vader was Luke Skywalkers father. And i bet that was the idea this whole Legacy thing was based upon. "Hey wouldn´t it be cool if every player would play a Skywalker family."
That sounds nice in theory but doesn´t really work in the actual game, especially since you can never meet your own characters from the other faction.

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Andryah
02.20.2012 , 07:54 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
I suggest the following changes should be made:

1a) Let us create a surname at character creation.
1b) OR if we can only create a surname at level 30, let us change it if we want to, to avoid being "stuck" if we made a mistake.
2) Make surnames not unique, meaning two or more players can have characters with the same surname.
3) Allow us to make different surnames for each of our characters on the server.
Naw... Bioware should not weaken a game feature just because you have complaints. The legacy name is part of an entire emerging Legacy system. It is there by design. You know about it in advance, and you should give it the proper care and respect it deserves when choosing your legacy name.

Besides, they give you a check box in preferences so gimps can turn off their poorly chosen Legacy name.
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Darkhosis
02.20.2012 , 08:03 PM | #55
It's coming. What we see here is a very raw version of what's to come. Judging it on its current state is kind of dumb when it's about to change dramatically.
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andrelle
02.20.2012 , 08:04 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by johnduane View Post
I'm surprised no one mentioned that this idea, of characters being related and having family ties, etc. came directly from John Smedley. Yep, the genius who was in charge of Galaxies and the NGE. This was in a 'state of the game' address he posted. I think it will probably work out just like the NGE, but hey, I'm only 1 voice.
Its on the yellow brick road to NGE.

Not only can you turn off the surname, you don't even have to use it. Just ignore it. Its just going to be achievements that you and your alts will earn. When we finally see what these achievements or "perks" are, make your decision then. If its worth it, pick a name you know you won't hate, hide it, and enjoy the perks. If the perks are "meh", then don't even bother. Win, win.

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Yozbick
02.20.2012 , 08:17 PM | #57
Are Legacy surnames still working the way they did?

I create a new character recently after hitting 50 the second time around. I have the system set to show my surname. It doesn't do so. A few weeks ago it worked fine with a newly created character, but now... no surname on a new character.
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EvilCoatrack
02.20.2012 , 08:39 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
1) It doesn't make sense that your character "earns" his surname.
The character doesn't earn it. The player does, to represent her accomplishments on the server in a unique way that can be viewed across characters.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
2) There's no reason for the Legacy surname to be a unique name.
Yes, there is. It lets the player pin his own unique name on multiple characters so that he can be identified (if he chooses to be) by those he fights with and against.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
3)
(You forgot a number 3)

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
4) There's no reason why all of my characters on the server should have the same last name.
They don't have to. If you're RPing, it's metagaming anyway to have a freaking giant nameplate floating over your head announcing to the world who you are. You can roleplay any of your characters having whatever last name they like - you'll just have that character TELL other characters this (you know, like how we learn other peoples' names in real life?).

Displaying the Legacy Surname is ENTIRELY OPTIONAL per character.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
5) Creating your character's name is a big deal for many people. Having a name that you like is important. In all MMOs, we have to create a unique name for our characters at character creation. Sometimes after a day or two, a player may decide that naming her character "Funnybunny" was not a great idea after all. It's not a big deal since it's a low-level character, she can just delete it and start over. If however we choose a Legacy surname we later decide was a bad idea, we're screwed. The character is level 30 now, so deleting and start over isn't a fair option. And we're not only stuck with it on this character, but every future character we make on that server. Granted, it would be my own fault for making up a dumb name, but still it's not a good system if it can put people in that position. I've seen posts in the New User help forum from people with this very problem. I think it's going to generate many tickets to GMs requesting to reset the name so it can be changed to something better.
Emphasis added by me.

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If you're ashamed of the surname you picked, don't show it.
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02.20.2012 , 08:58 PM | #59
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Kaelshi
02.20.2012 , 09:08 PM | #60
well - I can agree with some of your post.

I would mark out the part about Joe Smith being born with his name. He is given his name by his parents, not born with it unless they picked it out already and even then he officially, in the U.S. at least is not so-named until parents speak it and it's on birth cert.

Not to mention there are cultures across the world who are awarded names for differing and various reasons such as entering adulthood, bringing food to the table for the first time in some hunter/gatherer cultures, taking a mate(in our culture women typically take the name of her husband)

I would like to be able to opt out of having the surname on all of my toons though.