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Legacy surnames do not make sense


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vanisle
02.20.2012 , 04:17 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by drwolfman View Post
im pretty sure that is the point. your main you can make have the surname..all your alts just wont have the surname displayed.

im still trying to get around the fact that people are now microscoping this game and everything BioWare has done is wrong, backwards, stupid, or disappointing. Game hasnt even seen 6months and its already been ripped apart so now I will live with a year worth of pointless patches and fixes and changes instead of them focusing on the end content...which people complain about too...

How about this as a solution the servers go down for a year so BioWare can completely fix everything? Sound good? No? cant wait another year of downtime? so live with what is in place and enjoy the ride, there will be hills to climb! maybe even mountains! but we will never know because we cant let BioWare get off the ground.

The End.
Actually that may be the best idea yet - they can reinstate our game time when they finish the game. The End
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Emeda
02.20.2012 , 04:18 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by vanisle View Post
I should of picked Havinsecks

Would have fit if your name was knotta
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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vanisle
02.20.2012 , 04:20 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Would have fit if your name was knotta
More like Bin
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Slightlycampana
02.20.2012 , 04:21 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
I haven't been a fan of the Legacy surnames since they announced it, and now the more I think about it, the more I think it's a terrible idea for several reasons.
I agree with your points, but I do think a Legacy system of some sort makes sense for the game as a whole.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
1) It doesn't make sense that your character "earns" his surname.
You can choose to show it as a title e.g. "The So-and-so Legacy"

Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
2) There's no reason for the Legacy surname to be a unique name

4) There's no reason why all of my characters on the server should have the same last name.
It's halfway between a surname, and player handle (at least for that server). The problem is that it doesn't work well as a player handle either - people can't add it to their friends list, they can't see your other characters. Who is really going to remember or care about your Legacy name?

Re your suggestions - I think any changes need to take into account the actual purpose of Legacy names, which is not to be a surname. You can use it as a surname, but it has another purpose entirely.

I would suggest these changes instead:
  • A setting which allows other players to add your legacy to their friends list (for the same faction anyway) but can be disabled via Preferences if you would prefer other players not to be able to do this
  • The ability to hide or display legacy names should be per character, not set for all characters.
  • Introduce the panel to chose the legacy differently. Mine came up randomly at the end of a quest turn in and I kept hiding it before I realised what it was because I was doing other stuff and it was getting in the way of my UI. See below for suggestions

1) Instead of being able to enter your legacy name in the first popup, you have Choose Now and Choose Later buttons.
2) If you Choose Later there is a prominent flashing icon somewhere at the side of the UI that you can click on to open the legacy choosing window.
3) If you Choose Now you get a window which explains, very clearly, what your legacy name is, that it can't be changed, and that it applies to all characters. Not until you have clicked past this do you get to enter your legacy name.
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vanisle
02.20.2012 , 04:25 PM | #25
imho legacy surnames are just plain and simple.

It's something implemented in SWTOR. It is exactly what it is. Once explained it needs no further explanation.

I do wish I had spent more time considering mine as I really now think I should of been

Bin Havinsecks

But I mean c'mon. It just is what it is. I don't really see room for complaint or criticism on this particular subject.

But regardless carry on - maybe in some worlds it matters
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Karff
02.20.2012 , 04:26 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin View Post
I haven't been a fan of the Legacy surnames since they announced it, and now the more I think about it, the more I think it's a terrible idea for several reasons.

1) It doesn't make sense that your character "earns" his surname. What does Joe Smith do in life to earn the privilege of using the name Smith? Nothing. It's his name, and he has it from birth. There's no explanation for why characters suddenly earn their surname 30 levels into the story.

2) There's no reason for the Legacy surname to be a unique name. The only reason to have unique names is to be able to identify player characters on the server. We already have that with the characters' first names. Creating a unique identifying first name, and then 30 levels later creating a unique identifying second name is redundant. There's no logical reason why surnames have to be unique when first names are already unique.

4) There's no reason why all of my characters on the server should have the same last name. If I create a human Bounty Hunter and then Twi'lek Jedi Knight, why would they have the same last name? It doesn't make sense, and there's no reason for it.

5) Creating your character's name is a big deal for many people. Having a name that you like is important. In all MMOs, we have to create a unique name for our characters at character creation. Sometimes after a day or two, a player may decide that naming her character "Funnybunny" was not a great idea after all. It's not a big deal since it's a low-level character, she can just delete it and start over. If however we choose a Legacy surname we later decide was a bad idea, we're screwed. The character is level 30 now, so deleting and start over isn't a fair option. And we're not only stuck with it on this character, but every future character we make on that server. Granted, it would be my own fault for making up a dumb name, but still it's not a good system if it can put people in that position. I've seen posts in the New User help forum from people with this very problem. I think it's going to generate many tickets to GMs requesting to reset the name so it can be changed to something better.

These complaints and more came up during the beta (for the few days testers had to respond to this system when it was sprung up at the last minute). The idea of a Legacy system that gives you incentives and bonuses for creating new characters after leveling one is a good idea, but this implementation of surnames is illogical, will create problems for people, is bad for RP, and it should be changed.

I suggest the following changes should be made:

1a) Let us create a surname at character creation.
1b) OR if we can only create a surname at level 30, let us change it if we want to, to avoid being "stuck" if we made a mistake.
2) Make surnames not unique, meaning two or more players can have characters with the same surname.
3) Allow us to make different surnames for each of our characters on the server.
First, you should learn to number correctly. Secondly don't think of it just as a surname. It's more like being a Mandalorians. Are they all from the same place and have the same genes? Think of it more like being part of a group than anything else.

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solidkjames
02.20.2012 , 04:27 PM | #27
A Long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

There was a sith warrior who knocked up some white girl on Alderaan and they had a baby that ended up being a Smuggler. That smuggler has a brother from another mother that happened to be a Jedi Consular turned evil and ended up having a baby with his sister who ended up being a Sith Inquistor and who orphaned a family of Bounty Hunters and took the child to be her own.

That's just a small sample of how all this could make sense. The majority of the people on planet earth are related at some level. Just go with and relax.
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chrisftw
02.20.2012 , 04:28 PM | #28
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vanisle
02.20.2012 , 04:29 PM | #29
Think of it as a mistake. Obviously a mandalorian won't be from the same family line as say a human. But whatever right. It's just a game, a strange jumbled together game.

Does it need to make sense or do we need to try and make sense of it?
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terminova
02.20.2012 , 05:04 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by solidkjames View Post
A Long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

There was a sith warrior who knocked up some white girl on Alderaan and they had a baby that ended up being a Smuggler. That smuggler has a brother from another mother that happened to be a Jedi Consular turned evil and ended up having a baby with his sister who ended up being a Sith Inquistor and who orphaned a family of Bounty Hunters and took the child to be her own.

That's just a small sample of how all this could make sense. The majority of the people on planet earth are related at some level. Just go with and relax.
That's a single planet and a single species, and they don't all have the same surname. Further, those that are only of European descent are unlikely to be related on any level to someone of only Asian descent.

Plus sometimes, there just isn't any relationship between characters that makes any sense no matter how you spin it.